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Sebastian Coe

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Mollygo Wed 13-Nov-24 22:31:53

He has said that the protection of female sport is vital and on his agenda if he is elected President of the Olympic Committee

Doodledog Thu 14-Nov-24 19:31:51

Mt61

Doodledog

Good for him. I can’t see how any elite sportsman could take pride in winning a medal because of his physiology giving him an inbuilt advantage. It’s obviously about the prize money for those who do.

No, I think they are trying to prove a point!

Who is trying to make which point?

If you mean that some men are trying to prove that they can ride roughshod over women's rights, then I agree. I'm not convinced about the 'big strong man' and Great White Saviour' comments though. I think this issue crosses boundaries of male/female, left/right etc. It is about something far more fundamental than that.

Rosie51 Fri 15-Nov-24 00:20:40

Some men (and women!) have seen which way the wind is blowing and are coming on board with fairness and protecting women's sport, amongst many other areas. Of course those that have been fighting the fight and getting the abuse are slightly (?) annoyed at the latecomers, but why bite the hand that feeds you? Late is late, but support is support and if the world is going to wake up and accept that no mammal has ever changed sex then surely that's all good? Like it or not it will be men coming on board that will reinstate women's rights. Never has this been truer.
That society believes a man who says he's a woman, rather than the woman who says he's not, is proof that society knows exactly who is a man and who is a woman Jen Izaakson

rocketship Fri 15-Nov-24 16:27:55

The most logical solution is to have four sports divisions.....

Female.... Male.... Female to Male..... Male to Female.... smile smile

Mollygo Fri 15-Nov-24 16:32:06

rocketship

The most logical solution is to have four sports divisions.....

Female.... Male.... Female to Male..... Male to Female.... smile smile

Yes but the cheats would say it’s unfair because then anyone could claim to be a transwoman, even the fastest male runners.

Cheating males (TIM) only like it when they’re racing against females.
Guess why!

Doodledog Fri 15-Nov-24 18:08:24

I think the only fair way is to have male and female categories, and anyone taking artificial hormones (or any form of performance-enhancing drugs) should be banned.

Musicgirl Fri 15-Nov-24 21:55:14

Even if he was silent on the topic earlier on, he has nailed his colours to the mast , if he were elected, would be in a powerful position to stamp on the nonsense.

Mollygo Fri 15-Nov-24 23:37:40

Doodledog

I think the only fair way is to have male and female categories, and anyone taking artificial hormones (or any form of performance-enhancing drugs) should be banned.

I agree, except there is no need for males to take hormones whilst they can just declare that they are women because they feel like it on any given day.

Doodledog Fri 15-Nov-24 23:55:36

Mollygo

Doodledog

I think the only fair way is to have male and female categories, and anyone taking artificial hormones (or any form of performance-enhancing drugs) should be banned.

I agree, except there is no need for males to take hormones whilst they can just declare that they are women because they feel like it on any given day.

Yes. When I say males I mean actual males. The ones with male gametes. And when I say female I mean women. Not males who say they are women.

Baggs Sat 16-Nov-24 07:52:12

Mt61

Doodledog

Good for him. I can’t see how any elite sportsman could take pride in winning a medal because of his physiology giving him an inbuilt advantage. It’s obviously about the prize money for those who do.

No, I think they are trying to prove a point!

What point is that, Mt?

David49 Sat 16-Nov-24 08:31:11

It really should not be complicated, your birth gender determines your eligibility for sport, it doesn’t stop you enjoying, participating or competing.
It does stop unfair competition, that should be the standard across all sport.

Musicgirl Sat 16-Nov-24 11:32:15

David49

It really should not be complicated, your birth gender determines your eligibility for sport, it doesn’t stop you enjoying, participating or competing.
It does stop unfair competition, that should be the standard across all sport.

Well, of course. This is what the vast majority of us have always taken for granted, but, sadly, a minority of men who have gone through male puberty and are not quite good enough to win medals against other male athletes are now self-identifying as women knowing that their superior strength will give them an unfair advantage.
In my view, a lot of the problems stem from a few men who are resentful of the strides for equality that women have made in the past hundred years or so. They are still of the view that we should be housewives and concerned only with domestic affairs. Because we largely have no intention of that, the rise of the trans movement has been an absolute gift to them. Here is another way to put women in their place. A man only has to say that he is now a woman and bingo! He is allowed into women's toilets and changing rooms, prisons and hospital wards and, of course, sports; thus intimidating many women in the process. It only works one way. It is only women who are expected to give up their private spaces. Recently, there was an event where women had to use unisex toilets. There were still male only toilets, so men had twice as many options as women.