“Dog-free zones in Wales”

NotSpaghetti

Oreo - but as Iam says, you can't avoid dogs if they are actually there these days as they come and "explore" you.

If there was a "dog free" zone it won't harm anyone and is easier to enforce than "on a lead" for example.

We’re talking about in the countryside aren’t we? How on earth would the Welsh authorities decide which bit would be deemed dog free? Am all for dogs on short leads in built up places.

Tbh I don’t think this idea will ever come to anything.

It's Larry the Cat at No 10, not Humphrey.

I have seen Asian families whose children will walk into the road rather than pass me when out with my gentle Labrador as though it was a man- eating tiger!
So this is possibly what is meant, in order for places to be inclusive.
Of course none of these issues are helped by the existence of banned breeds of dog such as the X large bully, and several other skid never even heard of until recently.
Why? Why would any ordinary citizen want such an animal.
Do they enjoy living in fear of their pet maiming or causing death.

Jaberwok

It's Larry the Cat at No 10, not Humphrey.

Of course!

Anniebach

There are dog free beaches in Wales, walking is atypically Welsh thing to do

Dog free beaches can be found all over the U.K. and it’s not only the Welsh who have learned to walk,

Was Humphrey ever a cat at Number 10 ? Named after the character in Yes Minister.

I'm not a dog owner, and I don't like dogs indoors in eating places, but I think a rule to exclude them in the countryside is wrong.. they should have a much right to run freely as children do..

Quote RosiesMaw2 Thu 14-Nov-24 09:30:44
Anniebach
There are dog free beaches in Wales, walking is atypically Welsh thing to do
Dog free beaches can be found all over the U.K. and it’s not only the Welsh who have learned to walk,

Yes I know, a poster said it was typically English

People talk about holiday cottages and the like. The Welsh government has done quite a lot to disuade tourism. People in many areas rely on tourism to make a living. People who enjoy the out doors and healthy activities come to Wales.
Quite a large proportion have dogs and do not holiday aboard because of them thus helping to boost the local economy
This year the visitors in our area have been fewer and if the news goes out that there are going to be restrictions on dog owners it’s like adding another nail to the coffin of the rural communities

Gwyllt I agree, but really wish that with all the pampering and money spent on pet dogs some should be directed towards training, for obedience and socialisation with other dogs when out and about. That small amount of time, energy and yes money makes all the difference if started early on.

Many beaches are dog free in the summer, it has been the same for years.

Where I live it could be easy for a dog to wander over the border from England to Wales. People will have to concentrate on lessons in recall, so if the dog runs off into Wales, they'll promptly return.

What would happen? Would the dog be taken into custody? The owner fined? "Well, I tried to recall him, officer, but he was chasing a rabbit. No, I don't know if the rabbit was Welsh or English".

Sorry, this just sounds ridiculous. What should be happening is that dogs should be trained in recall, not allowed to jump up at people, and owners should clean up and take the poo bags home, not hang them in trees.

The Government has concluded that ethnic minorities face 'barriers' to outdoor areas created by 'exclusions and racism'.

A separate set of recommendations submitted by the North Wales Africa Society also called for 'dog-free areas'.

It added that during one of its focus groups, 'one black African female stated that she feels unsafe with the presence of dogs'.
This white English woman sometimes feel nervous in the presence of some, not all, dogs.

Others also kept 'seeing dog fouling on the floor', the report added.
floor or ground? 🤔

Barriers to outdoor activities includes the perception that growing food in gardens or allotments is 'dominated by middle-aged white women'.

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This woman is beginning to wonder if she fell down a rabbit hole when she was out walking in the countryside.

Getting more like Stalag Australia every day, isn’t it? We are so overgoverned and over regulated here it is no longer funny. You picture bronzed, free Aussies but that is a bit of a myth these days, sadly. Particularly down in the southern states.

Is the use of Sun Protection mandatory now too?
(Just kidding) 🧴 🏄

I'm not sure why a straightforward (to me) suggestion of some "dog free areas" is such a big deal.

Am I missing something?
Some beaches already have it, some areas in public parks, why not some countryside areas?

Where I live, there is a rule (by law maybe) that no dogs are allowed on the beach during the summer. It might be from May to end of September if I remember correctly. There are notices on the beaches informing people about this. It used to affect us a little bit when we used to walk our daughter’s dog some years ago. We had to walk her up the end of the beach where it was more isolated and so dogs were allowed there in the summer.

Yesterday we went for our walk along Emsworth harbour and coastline. There were many dogs out with their owners, many not on leads. Some of the dogs approached us, others not so, but I spoke to a number them, and their owners, and my husband patted a couple (of the dogs.) None of the dogs jumped up at us. I hate that, especially when the owner (usually far away) yells that he’s just being friendly. I understand that some in the Muslim community find dogs dirty, but no one walking where I walked yesterday, would have been offended. Therefore it brings it down to dog ownership. If dog owners ensure that their dogs are on leads, and not allowed to jump up at other people, there would not be a problem. Everyone, from whatever community, would feel comfortable walking wherever they wanted to walk.

Please don't lump all dog owners together. It is like saying all football fans are trouble makers

kircubbin2000

Dog free zones would be great for people scared of dogs but it will never work because of owners attitudes.When a dog jumps on you the response is always he's just being friendly.

I’m a dog owner, lifelong, multiple dogs.

I support dog free areas, we’ve never taken our dogs to dog-free zones, we pick in poo in the areas they are allowed, we keep them on the lead unless no one else is around.

Many dog owners are very responsible people. They love their dogs, but are very aware others don’t? 🐶🐶🐩🐩🦮🦮🐕‍🦺🐕‍🦺

Tizliz

Please don't lump all dog owners together. It is like saying all football fans are trouble makers

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Football fans, trouble makers or not, only come out in numbers on match days.

It isn't a good comparison. Do 'good' dog owners have a badge saying so?

No, you figure it out by the behaviour of the dog, but sometimes that is too late and tragic for some, including other dogs.

There are several places in Northumberland where dogs aren’t allowed eg Hulne Park in Alnwick and Howick Hall. So it isn’t as if there aren’t dog free places where people who don’t like dogs can go. I’m sure there must be places like that in other parts of the country. The National Trust would lose a lot of members if they became dog free. I do think something should be done to make dog owners understand more about the responsibilities involved with dog ownership though.

Tizliz

Please don't lump all dog owners together. It is like saying all football fans are trouble makers

Yes, this exactly! Most of us are very responsible. We've had Labs our whole life and all were very well trained. We are lucky where we live - within a few hundred yards of us, we can walk in open countryside and woodland and hardly ever see another soul, which is great. I'm also not aware of any dog-free beaches here in Scotland - there may well be some, but we've not come across any on our travels. Unfortunately, many people seem to have acquired dogs on a whim during lockdown and didn't put in the time and effort to train or socialise them properly - and now we are seeing the results of that. It's those irresponsible dog owners which spoil things for the responsible majority.

NotSpaghetti

I'm not sure why a straightforward (to me) suggestion of some "dog free areas" is such a big deal.

Am I missing something?
Some beaches already have it, some areas in public parks, why not some countryside areas?

I agree (dog owner)

The point of this report is that areas of countryside at present open to the public should become inaccessible for those with dogs because some people regard them as unclean.

It's nothing to do with jumping up, running off lead, it is to do with the religious thoughts of some that the saliva of dogs is unclean.

Nowhere in the Quran are dogs prohibited