“Dog-free zones in Wales”

Oreo

UK beaches often have dog free/ dog friendly zones already which makes sense where there are lots of children.
The countryside is for every man ( and woman) tho, including their dog if they wish.Too much pandering to daftness going on.

Only during certain times of the year, even then we have dog friendly beach areas. This is just another pandering to minorities. This is the wetsrn World. What if they live next door to a dog. Having g travelled to several middle eastern countries, one in particular, Bahrain, there are dogs all over the place.
A ridiculous pandering again by the Welsh labourites.

A ridiculous pandering again by the Welsh labourites

I think it is a report by Climate Cymru BAME which is under consideration and may be used for further policy making

Though what this has to do with Climate change I have no idea.

Allira

The point of this report is that areas of countryside at present open to the public should become inaccessible for those with dogs because some people regard them as unclean.

It's nothing to do with jumping up, running off lead, it is to do with the religious thoughts of some that the saliva of dogs is unclean.

Nowhere in the Quran are dogs prohibited

If it’s religion based, then, imo, it’s ridiculous.

Some religions consider pigs unclean and seafood and some worship cows.

Has the world truly gone mad???

Has the world truly gone mad???

When there are complaints that people are discouraged from vegetable gardening because the perception is that it is an activity of white, middle-aged women, then I fear you could be right.

No-one told Monty Don, Adam Frost, Alan Titchmsrsh or indeed Arit Anderson!

Allira

^Has the world truly gone mad???^

When there are complaints that people are discouraged from vegetable gardening because the perception is that it is an activity of white, middle-aged women, then I fear you could be right.

No-one told Monty Don, Adam Frost, Alan Titchmsrsh or indeed Arit Anderson!

Interesting on our local allotments, men, of all ages and colour, outnumber women by around 4-1!

Having just read the article in the Telegraph (it's also in the Daily Mail and on GB News), my take is rather different. I think there were focus groups asking people what barriers they felt when going into the countryside and someone mentioned fear of dogs. I haven't found it in any other media.

Cossy

Allira

Has the world truly gone mad???

When there are complaints that people are discouraged from vegetable gardening because the perception is that it is an activity of white, middle-aged women, then I fear you could be right.

No-one told Monty Don, Adam Frost, Alan Titchmsrsh or indeed Arit Anderson!

Interesting on our local allotments, men, of all ages and colour, outnumber women by around 4-1!

I grew some radishes once!

Dog free zones? Oh yes please!

So now we won’t be allowed to walk our dogs in certain places to kowtow to anyone that moves to this country. I’ve never heard anything so bloody ridiculous…..oh wait…. It’s a direction from the Welsh Labour Government……why am I not surprised.
PATHETIC

I am a dog lover and have two dogs. I am often appalled by the behaviour of dog owners both in UK and France. No attempt to clean up after their dogs, no control when they are off lead etc. Why do some owners take their dogs everywhere with them into cafes, pubs etc not everyone is a dog lover and some people are scared by them. I agree there should be some areas which are dog free for these reasons.
Escaped people in France do tend to ignore rules about dogs, consequently some towns have have pavements which are constantly fouled by dogs. Very unpleasant.

Oreo

Or, since we don’t live in an Islamic state, people of all faiths and none have to accept that dogs are a part of life here.They don’t need to pat them on the head.

Exactly this.
Come to Wales for a better life but don't expect the old life to come with you.
Or else, why bother.

Oreo

Or, since we don’t live in an Islamic state, people of all faiths and none have to accept that dogs are a part of life here.They don’t need to pat them on the head.

Just what I was going to say.

IMO this is the sort of bending-over-backwards measure that will IMO drive a number of people to vote Reform.

If the US election wasn’t a lesson in what is likely to drive people to the right, I don’t know what was.

It seems it was what came out of a focus group, a comment by one person so unlikely to become law but given the wokery bandwagon who knows.More tinkering with deckchairs.
There’s a case to be made for dogs not to be in city centres or even busy town centres but not the countryside.I do sometimes feel sorry for dogs being dragged around shops and cafes when they could have been happily at home asleep.

I walk almost every day in a large park where lots of dogs are off the lead for most of the year (baby deer season excepted) and have hardly ever had one jump up at me. So I don’t understand why some people evidently find it such a problem.
Do they carry sausages in their pockets, or what?

It seems it was what came out of a focus group, a comment by one person so unlikely to become law but given the wokery bandwagon who knows.More tinkering with deckchairs.

A comment by one person being used by the RW media as a scare tactic, and, indeed, a weapon the their culture war.

Not worth the fuss about it

If you read the OP, the whole implication here is that dog ownership is racist. What utter rubbish.

The fact that some dog owners are irresponsible cannot be equated to being racist.

The research seems flawed and surely no responsible government would act on its findings without conducting
wider research across a larger geographical area.

The research was carried out in Bangor, a university town in North Wales.
Focus group discussions were conducted for members of Climate Cymru BAME and NWAS at a documentary screening and discussion event held on the 9th of September 2023. A virtual focus group discussion (FGDs) was also conducted for professionals and students in the environmental sciences on the 16th of September 2023.

Majority of the participants belonged to Black African (96%), and Caribbean or Mixed Ethnic groups (4%) covered age ranges of 16 to 65. The participants were mostly constituted of international students and a few long-term residents with 40% identifying themselves as male and 60% as female

So many of those questioned were international students at the university who may well be returning home again after their studies are complete.

Focus groups information:
Location DurationNumber of participantsMalesFemalesEthnicity:

Bangor/BACC centre90 minutes301218Black African, Caribbean/mixed Ethnic
Bangor/BACC centre90 minutes743Black African, Caribbean/mixed Ethnic

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Focus groups information
LocationDurationNumber of participantsMalesFemalesEthnicity
Bangor/BACC centre90 minutes 30 / 12 / 18Black African, Caribbean/mixed Ethnic
Bangor/BACC centre90 minutes 7 / 4 / 3Black African, Caribbean/mixed Ethnic

So a total of 37 participants, mosty international students.

It would seem like a storm in a teacup if the Welsh Government were not forming future climate change policy on the basis of it.

^ So I don’t understand why some people evidently find it such a problem.^

MrA got attacked by a dog a few months ago when he was out for his usual early morning walk. Absolutely no warning. As he passed the man and dog the dog suddenly went for his arm and pulled him to the ground. His knees, hip, elbows and hands were all cut from falling. He has a dicky hip so he could have had a very serious injury. Luckily it wasn't far away from home. I got up to find him trying to take off his trousers and jacket - both ripped by the dog - and had to wash the gravel out of his hands and knees.

He said the dog walker/owner was obviously horrified, so probably not something the dog often does. He saw the dog a few weeks ago, with a muzzle on, thankfully.

No, he didn't have sausages in his pockets. We both like dogs but it's made him a but nervous around dogs now sadly.

Allira

The point of this report is that areas of countryside at present open to the public should become inaccessible for those with dogs because some people regard them as unclean.

It's nothing to do with jumping up, running off lead, it is to do with the religious thoughts of some that the saliva of dogs is unclean.

Nowhere in the Quran are dogs prohibited

I don’t think you quite understood this, Allira. It’s got nothing to do with people regarding dogs as ‘unclean’, if they actually do! I have never heard of that as a reason, and if you have, I’d love to know where!

Witzend

I walk almost every day in a large park where lots of dogs are off the lead for most of the year (baby deer season excepted) and have hardly ever had one jump up at me. So I don’t understand why some people evidently find it such a problem.
Do they carry sausages in their pockets, or what?

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I'm afraid of dogs so I try to avoid them where possible. It's one of the reasons I like Wetherspoons. We went to a Spoons for lunch this week and there was a man in there with a small dog on his lap. I felt sorry for the staff as they were unsure what to do. Rules are rules but there will always be the 'I'll do what I like' types.

IMO this is the sort of bending-over-backwards measure that will IMO drive a number of people to vote Reform.

It already did.

Like you say, likely to get worse.

Or more violent.