“Dog-free zones in Wales”

CariadAgain

Goodness only knows what connection they're drawing between dogs and racism - and I live in Wales these days and I'm blowed if I can see it.

Between that and the Welsh Assembly debating voluntary euthanasia these days (when it's the Government that is going to make that decision - and not them).

Trying to remember now who it is that decided to rename Snowdonia etc - think it was them?

I guess they're looking for ways to justify their well-paid jobs....so they'll dream up any and every topic to make ineffective decisions about.....and goodness only knows what other topics they'll think up for debate if they manage to get the extra members they're trying to have.....

CariadAgain or should I call you DarlingAgain 😁

The National Park Authority decided to call Snowdonia by its old name of Eryri, Snowdon as Yr Wyddfa and also the Brecon Beacons are Bannau Brycheiniog. It's part of a programme of projects to try to reverse climate change (but I'm not sure how a name change helps).

One aim is to encourage everyone into nature but perhaps the name change is designed to put people off instead.
If asked where they plan to go walking/climbing, they might try to pronounce the names then say say "Oh, forget it, I'm going to the Peak or Lake District instead".

Ps It's The Senedd Cymru not The Welsh Assembly

Oreo

Allira it’s funny that you posted a pic of those corgis as I saw one just like it at a garden centre today.I thought corgis were a sort of tan colour but this one had three colours.It looked sweet but I never touch a dog without the owners permission.

I met a lovely one last night, a very placid brindle Cardigan corgi.

I thought the topic was more than just about dogs.
I just watched a Welsh woman on TV and she could not give one reason to confirm that Wales is racist. There was also a black man on (forgot his name) and neither could he although he thinks it is racist. 🤔

The Pembroke is the most popular, The Cardigan is dark brown and white

Ah, two different kinds then, that explains it.

The Pembroke Welsh Corgi and The Cardigan Welsh Corgi

Allira it’s funny that you posted a pic of those corgis as I saw one just like it at a garden centre today.I thought corgis were a sort of tan colour but this one had three colours.It looked sweet but I never touch a dog without the owners permission.

RosiesMaw2

^Children don’t defecate in the countryside^

Oh no?.

Hardly the point of this thread, but we used to go out in the countryside and the woods all day, and we were taught how to do what we sometimes had to do, in the countryside, and which leaves to use to wipe. Behind a tree, out of the way, and cover up properly of course. We also camped in places where there were no loos, and we had a small folding spade.

Not just children either 😲😄

Children don’t defecate in the countryside

Oh no?.

And it’s their human owners that are responsible for cleaning up their poo. I’ve never seen a dog put it’s poo in a bag and leave it lying there.

Skydancer

pascal30

I'm not a dog owner, and I don't like dogs indoors in eating places, but I think a rule to exclude them in the countryside is wrong.. they should have a much right to run freely as children do..

Children don’t defecate in the countryside.

We find disposable nappies on the beach. And people defecate in the dunes.

Skydancer - foxes, badgers, squirrels, deer , cows & sheep & horses defecate in the outryside. So do dogs, but in their case their poop is scooped or flicked into the undergrowth. absolutely not a valid reason to ban dogs!

I live in Wales CariadAgain, as you do, and I don’t know why you keep referring to the Welsh Government as the Welsh Assembly, because you know that’s not what it’s called? That pretty:much answers your questions. This isn’t England, and we do things our way in devolved areas of government.

pascal30

I'm not a dog owner, and I don't like dogs indoors in eating places, but I think a rule to exclude them in the countryside is wrong.. they should have a much right to run freely as children do..

Children don’t defecate in the countryside.

Casdon

CariadAgain

Goodness only knows what connection they're drawing between dogs and racism - and I live in Wales these days and I'm blowed if I can see it.

Between that and the Welsh Assembly debating voluntary euthanasia these days (when it's the Government that is going to make that decision - and not them).

Trying to remember now who it is that decided to rename Snowdonia etc - think it was them?

I guess they're looking for ways to justify their well-paid jobs....so they'll dream up any and every topic to make ineffective decisions about.....and goodness only knows what other topics they'll think up for debate if they manage to get the extra members they're trying to have.....

Welsh Assembly? Welsh Government (Senedd) from 2020.
It is likely that the Assisted dying for terminally ill adults bill will need to be approved by the Welsh Government. Health is devolved.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn4v0e8pvxko
It was the National Parks Authority who decided to called Eyri by its original name rather than the English version of it. Some Welsh people would be offended by what you said, it’s is reverting, not being renamed.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpvz1k23zlwo#:~:text=Wales'%20tallest%20mountain%20will%20continue,official%20communication%20in%20November%202022.

It at first looked like the Assembly would have to approve it in Wales specifically - but, on further reading, it didn't look like they can (even though the Welsh NHS broke off from the rest as I understand it some years back).

Guess they'd got visions of a whole new version of "border crossing" - after anyone near the border crossed over the border for those instances where Lockdown was harsher in Wales than England. That led to people in a couple of places literally crossing the road to the other side - as they were more restricted on one side of the street literally than the other in those places where the border goes right through a town.

Obviously - any harsher health environment in Wales than England in regard to this would be likely to result in many people near enough to the border dropping their Welsh doctors practice and re-registering with a nearby English one. Followed by banner headline articles of people denied access to this because of being a few miles the Welsh side - when they could get it okay on the English side. Cue for banner headline article of sad/ill-looking person sitting in wheelchair or the like saying "My friend (in England) that has decided on this can get it - why can't I just because I'm in Wales?"

Oreo

Hey RosiesMaw2 you set the cat among the pigeons never mind the dogs😂

Not at all, her question was fair. But YOU made the comment about 'Islamic State' which is way, way out of order.

It might just be possible that the majority of the Islamic community actually don’t want to climb Snowden or chomp the Brecon Beacons. 🤷‍♀️

Goodness only knows what connection they're drawing between dogs and racism - and I live in Wales these days and I'm blowed if I can see it.

I'm trying to work out the connection between racism and climate change.

Perhaps someone can explain.

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Oreo

Hey RosiesMaw2 you set the cat among the pigeons never mind the dogs😂

😂

The corgis are very upset.
I heard one muttering "What is the world coming to! Everyone knows corgis have the Freedom of Wales".

Fleurpepper

Oreo

Or, since we don’t live in an Islamic state, people of all faiths and none have to accept that dogs are a part of life here.They don’t need to pat them on the head.

Why do you mention an 'Islamic State'- why do you have to bring Islam into it. And it is my post that gets deleted!

Some people are truly afraid of dogs- some are British, some are Christians, or not, and some, because of the situation with packs of dogs in the country where their parents or grandparents grew up- have strong fear of dogs. Some may be Hindus, or Sikhs, or Muslims, or not.

Your post about 'Islamic state' is just so wrong and, yes, borders on racism.

Have you read the research, Fleurpepper which was very limited in its scope?

It could also be to do with people being afraid of dogs of course, although that is a subject which has been discussed on other threads too. Also the problem of dog poo.

It is more to do with people of ethnic minorities accessing the countryside, also about growing food.
Although I'm a bit confused about the link between accessing the countryside and climate change, admittedly. Unless people intend to plant more trees.

Islam is not a race, it is a religion. Some Muslim people do believe dogs are unclean but it is not in the Koran, I understand.

It was a report commissioned by the Welsh Government which was under consideration.
A government spokesman today insisted it was not planning to act on the proposal and dogs 'would continue to be welcomed in the hills of Wales'.

should be and could be can also give rise to different interpretations.

When I was teaching, we had a guide dog and his owner visit our school to teach the children about guide dogs and their use. At the time I was teaching the youngest children and the guide dog and his owner were already sitting in the classroom waiting as the children arrived. To give context, some children were Christian, some Muslim, and some of no faith. No other religions were represented in the class. The children came in quietly and some parents pointed out the guide dog to their child. Only one parent said to us, the staff, that their child could look but must not touch the dog. She reiterated this to her child. It happened that this was a Muslim family, and I drew from this that for some Muslims, dogs are considered unclean. My bilingual assistant confirmed this to me but said there was no religious reason to ask children not to touch a dog, it was simply a cultural thing. All the other children, of both religions and none approached the dog, and most were happy to stroke it. The child who was told not to touch approached the dog but didn’t touch him. The dog was extremely well behaved (as you would expect from a guide dog) and knew he could be patted because his owner had taken off his harness. When wearing his harness the dog knows he is working and we were told never to touch or approach a guide dog when it is working.

I just thought I’d add that anecdote for interest.

CariadAgain

Goodness only knows what connection they're drawing between dogs and racism - and I live in Wales these days and I'm blowed if I can see it.

Between that and the Welsh Assembly debating voluntary euthanasia these days (when it's the Government that is going to make that decision - and not them).

Trying to remember now who it is that decided to rename Snowdonia etc - think it was them?

I guess they're looking for ways to justify their well-paid jobs....so they'll dream up any and every topic to make ineffective decisions about.....and goodness only knows what other topics they'll think up for debate if they manage to get the extra members they're trying to have.....

Welsh Assembly? Welsh Government (Senedd) from 2020.
It is likely that the Assisted dying for terminally ill adults bill will need to be approved by the Welsh Government. Health is devolved.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn4v0e8pvxko
It was the National Parks Authority who decided to called Eyri by its original name rather than the English version of it. Some Welsh people would be offended by what you said, it’s is reverting, not being renamed.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpvz1k23zlwo#:~:text=Wales'%20tallest%20mountain%20will%20continue,official%20communication%20in%20November%202022.

Hey RosiesMaw2 you set the cat among the pigeons never mind the dogs😂

Goodness only knows what connection they're drawing between dogs and racism - and I live in Wales these days and I'm blowed if I can see it.

Between that and the Welsh Assembly debating voluntary euthanasia these days (when it's the Government that is going to make that decision - and not them).

Trying to remember now who it is that decided to rename Snowdonia etc - think it was them?

I guess they're looking for ways to justify their well-paid jobs....so they'll dream up any and every topic to make ineffective decisions about.....and goodness only knows what other topics they'll think up for debate if they manage to get the extra members they're trying to have.....