“Dog-free zones in Wales”

pascal30

I'm not a dog owner, and I don't like dogs indoors in eating places, but I think a rule to exclude them in the countryside is wrong.. they should have a much right to run freely as children do..

Children don’t defecate in the countryside.

I live in Wales CariadAgain, as you do, and I don’t know why you keep referring to the Welsh Government as the Welsh Assembly, because you know that’s not what it’s called? That pretty:much answers your questions. This isn’t England, and we do things our way in devolved areas of government.

Skydancer - foxes, badgers, squirrels, deer , cows & sheep & horses defecate in the outryside. So do dogs, but in their case their poop is scooped or flicked into the undergrowth. absolutely not a valid reason to ban dogs!

Skydancer

pascal30

I'm not a dog owner, and I don't like dogs indoors in eating places, but I think a rule to exclude them in the countryside is wrong.. they should have a much right to run freely as children do..

Children don’t defecate in the countryside.

We find disposable nappies on the beach. And people defecate in the dunes.

And it’s their human owners that are responsible for cleaning up their poo. I’ve never seen a dog put it’s poo in a bag and leave it lying there.

Children don’t defecate in the countryside

Oh no?.

Not just children either 😲😄

RosiesMaw2

^Children don’t defecate in the countryside^

Oh no?.

Hardly the point of this thread, but we used to go out in the countryside and the woods all day, and we were taught how to do what we sometimes had to do, in the countryside, and which leaves to use to wipe. Behind a tree, out of the way, and cover up properly of course. We also camped in places where there were no loos, and we had a small folding spade.

Allira it’s funny that you posted a pic of those corgis as I saw one just like it at a garden centre today.I thought corgis were a sort of tan colour but this one had three colours.It looked sweet but I never touch a dog without the owners permission.

The Pembroke Welsh Corgi and The Cardigan Welsh Corgi

Ah, two different kinds then, that explains it.

The Pembroke is the most popular, The Cardigan is dark brown and white

I thought the topic was more than just about dogs.
I just watched a Welsh woman on TV and she could not give one reason to confirm that Wales is racist. There was also a black man on (forgot his name) and neither could he although he thinks it is racist. 🤔

Oreo

Allira it’s funny that you posted a pic of those corgis as I saw one just like it at a garden centre today.I thought corgis were a sort of tan colour but this one had three colours.It looked sweet but I never touch a dog without the owners permission.

I met a lovely one last night, a very placid brindle Cardigan corgi.

CariadAgain

Goodness only knows what connection they're drawing between dogs and racism - and I live in Wales these days and I'm blowed if I can see it.

Between that and the Welsh Assembly debating voluntary euthanasia these days (when it's the Government that is going to make that decision - and not them).

Trying to remember now who it is that decided to rename Snowdonia etc - think it was them?

I guess they're looking for ways to justify their well-paid jobs....so they'll dream up any and every topic to make ineffective decisions about.....and goodness only knows what other topics they'll think up for debate if they manage to get the extra members they're trying to have.....

CariadAgain or should I call you DarlingAgain 😁

The National Park Authority decided to call Snowdonia by its old name of Eryri, Snowdon as Yr Wyddfa and also the Brecon Beacons are Bannau Brycheiniog. It's part of a programme of projects to try to reverse climate change (but I'm not sure how a name change helps).

One aim is to encourage everyone into nature but perhaps the name change is designed to put people off instead.
If asked where they plan to go walking/climbing, they might try to pronounce the names then say say "Oh, forget it, I'm going to the Peak or Lake District instead".

Ps It's The Senedd Cymru not The Welsh Assembly

Yet again the majority are to bow to the minority.

How about cafes not serving pork products, pubs not serving alcohol, women covering up on beaches, businesses closing for Friday prayers?

If someone had told me 20 years ago that this was even being considered I would not have believed them.

I remember a CountryFile episode covering this subject.
This article really digs down into the numbers and reasons why some minorities don’t use the countryside.

theiaincameron.medium.com/the-countrysides-ethnic-deficit-1e17a5205d1a

As already mentioned, I think it's in part because Muslims consider dogs haram (unclean). Additionally, minority ethnic groups don't use the countryside. There have been many theories put forward about this and it is clearly a disadvantage from a health and well being perspective.

I'm sure Petra's link will explain more but unfortunately I can't open it.

Sago

Yet again the majority are to bow to the minority.

How about cafes not serving pork products, pubs not serving alcohol, women covering up on beaches, businesses closing for Friday prayers?

If someone had told me 20 years ago that this was even being considered I would not have believed them.

I don't mind making changes so that members of minority groups can enjoy the same things that I can, they live in the same country, pay the same taxes and have the same rights to a life as I do. I'm afraid if everyone took your view, people with a disability would still be unable to use public transport, go to the loo in public spaces and share the experience of others at the theatre, football matches etc etc.
The article mentioned is based on focus groups done with a "not very representative group" which was presented to the Senned Cymru and as far as anyone knows is not being used drive any policy changes.
I'm a dog owner, he loves being off lead but he's good to walk on a lead, unfortunately I see lots of dogs who are not under control and are a nuisance and potential threat to everyone else sharing the space. I'm really not surprised that someone in a focus group might say they avoid the countryside because of a concern about dogs (member of an ethnic group or not).
One only has to read the headline to know why these articles in the media were presented in the way they were. I am posting a link to a better piece of research conducted by English Nature in 2005, not a single dog mentioned!

file:///C:/Users/charl/Downloads/DR%20pubsethosfullreporttcm2-27064_tcm6-4024.pdf

Interesting link Petra
Reasons given by BAME people for not getting out and about in the countryside overwhelmingly was that they said they were either too busy at work or too busy at home to do it.
Not for any racial reasons or not for lack of transport.If your parents never did it ( walking or rambling in the countryside) then you’re unlikely to do it.There’s a lot more to read if anyone is interested I just had a quick look.

Nowhere are dogs mentioned.😄

Sago

Yet again the majority are to bow to the minority.

How about cafes not serving pork products, pubs not serving alcohol, women covering up on beaches, businesses closing for Friday prayers?

If someone had told me 20 years ago that this was even being considered I would not have believed them.

The other night my son said exactly the same about my late Dad. He would be turning in his grave if he could see the change since he died in 2007.

Oreo

Nowhere are dogs mentioned.😄

actually Oreo there are 2 questions about dogs in the survey and interestingly Bame and Asian people are more than twice as likely to use the countryside if they have dogs than their white counterparts, but less likely without them..

This ruling seems extreme to me :

In Islam , dogs are haram ,
you lose points from your hasanet (good deeds ) but they can be kept if they are working dogs .
Working dogs includes sheep or goat herding and being guard dogs .

Many of my Muslim friends keep dogs and not always for those purposes .
I have never seen any cruelty towards them , but I have seen them being shooed away .
The one thing that is time consuming in having a dog is the preparation before prayers -it takes longer as you should change your clothes because they have been touched by canines .

It all depends on your family and personal views .

If you study Leviticus , Jewish and later Christian doctrines had the similar beliefs .

Would you be happy then foxie to see pubs not selling alcohol or restaurants not serving pork products? You say you’d be happy to see changes, what changes would you like to see?

Having worked with the Muslim community for many years, I happen to know that Muslims have no interest or desire to prevent other people from enjoying alcohol, pork products, or carrying on normally on Fridays. Do people not realise that Muslims go to work on Fridays too? Nor do they want to stop people from owning dogs or petting dogs, just because some of them prefer not to pet dogs themselves.

It’s all being blown up out of all proportion.