“Dog-free zones in Wales”

Nowhere in the Quran are dogs prohibited

Maybe not.

But a quick google will bring up what some Muslims think about dogs.

Allira

^A ridiculous pandering again by the Welsh labourites^

I think it is a report by Climate Cymru BAME which is under consideration and may be used for further policy making

Yes, that’s exactly what it is. It’s not something which the Welsh Government has yet considered, much less adopted. It’s another of those stories which has been blown out of all proportion by the media.

Of course it is Casdon that's why it was in the Telegraph, Mail and on GB news. there's absolutely no evidence as far I can see that the Welsh government is intending to take any action at all. Could this be described as a "dog whistle"?

foxie48

Of course it is Casdon that's why it was in the Telegraph, Mail and on GB news. there's absolutely no evidence as far I can see that the Welsh government is intending to take any action at all. Could this be described as a "dog whistle"?

It was also on Sky News online and maybe the BBC, I haven’t checked the BBC one today, so not just ‘right wing media’.

It’s being thought about, whether it will translate into action or not is a moot point but with diversity boxes to be ticked y’never know.

It’s accurately reported on Sky News though Oreo, which wasn’t conveyed in the original post here. The ‘clever’ wording in which the Telegraph reports implies policy decisions have been made, when they haven’t. That misleads.

It doesn’t say in the OP one way or the other Casdon I assumed that it was something just being considered, which presumably it is, not that it would necessarily be implemented.

PS I’m assuming it is the Telegraph, I can’t find a word for word equivalent to the passage posted online, and I don’t subscribe to the Telegraph so I can’t check.

Oreo

Or, since we don’t live in an Islamic state, people of all faiths and none have to accept that dogs are a part of life here.They don’t need to pat them on the head.

Why do you mention an 'Islamic State'- why do you have to bring Islam into it. And it is my post that gets deleted!

Some people are truly afraid of dogs- some are British, some are Christians, or not, and some, because of the situation with packs of dogs in the country where their parents or grandparents grew up- have strong fear of dogs. Some may be Hindus, or Sikhs, or Muslims, or not.

Your post about 'Islamic state' is just so wrong and, yes, borders on racism.

Casdon

Allira

A ridiculous pandering again by the Welsh labourites

I think it is a report by Climate Cymru BAME which is under consideration and may be used for further policy making

Yes, that’s exactly what it is. It’s not something which the Welsh Government has yet considered, much less adopted. It’s another of those stories which has been blown out of all proportion by the media.

... and some people with an 'agenda'

"There are calls for "dog-free areas" to be introduced in Wales as part of the Welsh government's anti-racism action plan."
"One of the report's recommendations to the government is to create allotments and "dog-free areas" in local green spaces."

Taken from the sky News online report

"DOG-FREE zones should be created to help make the outdoors “anti-racist ”, the Welsh Government has been told"
Taken from the opening post and IMO a rather different interpretation.

I won’t engage with you Fleurpepper on this subject.

Reading all the posts it seems we just about all agree that dogs need to be kept on short leads in busy places.

foxie48

"There are calls for "dog-free areas" to be introduced in Wales as part of the Welsh government's anti-racism action plan."
"One of the report's recommendations to the government is to create allotments and "dog-free areas" in local green spaces."

Taken from the sky News online report

"DOG-FREE zones should be created to help make the outdoors “anti-racist ”, the Welsh Government has been told"
Taken from the opening post and IMO a rather different interpretation.

Yes, you said that better than I did foxie48 - the way things are reported makes a big difference to the inference readers draw.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/13/dog-free-zones-make-outdoors-anti-racist-welsh-government/

Not sure if people can access it but it's a rather typical Telegraph article designed to inflame rather than inform.

Goodness only knows what connection they're drawing between dogs and racism - and I live in Wales these days and I'm blowed if I can see it.

Between that and the Welsh Assembly debating voluntary euthanasia these days (when it's the Government that is going to make that decision - and not them).

Trying to remember now who it is that decided to rename Snowdonia etc - think it was them?

I guess they're looking for ways to justify their well-paid jobs....so they'll dream up any and every topic to make ineffective decisions about.....and goodness only knows what other topics they'll think up for debate if they manage to get the extra members they're trying to have.....

Hey RosiesMaw2 you set the cat among the pigeons never mind the dogs😂

CariadAgain

Goodness only knows what connection they're drawing between dogs and racism - and I live in Wales these days and I'm blowed if I can see it.

Between that and the Welsh Assembly debating voluntary euthanasia these days (when it's the Government that is going to make that decision - and not them).

Trying to remember now who it is that decided to rename Snowdonia etc - think it was them?

I guess they're looking for ways to justify their well-paid jobs....so they'll dream up any and every topic to make ineffective decisions about.....and goodness only knows what other topics they'll think up for debate if they manage to get the extra members they're trying to have.....

Welsh Assembly? Welsh Government (Senedd) from 2020.
It is likely that the Assisted dying for terminally ill adults bill will need to be approved by the Welsh Government. Health is devolved.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn4v0e8pvxko
It was the National Parks Authority who decided to called Eyri by its original name rather than the English version of it. Some Welsh people would be offended by what you said, it’s is reverting, not being renamed.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpvz1k23zlwo#:~:text=Wales'%20tallest%20mountain%20will%20continue,official%20communication%20in%20November%202022.

should be and could be can also give rise to different interpretations.

When I was teaching, we had a guide dog and his owner visit our school to teach the children about guide dogs and their use. At the time I was teaching the youngest children and the guide dog and his owner were already sitting in the classroom waiting as the children arrived. To give context, some children were Christian, some Muslim, and some of no faith. No other religions were represented in the class. The children came in quietly and some parents pointed out the guide dog to their child. Only one parent said to us, the staff, that their child could look but must not touch the dog. She reiterated this to her child. It happened that this was a Muslim family, and I drew from this that for some Muslims, dogs are considered unclean. My bilingual assistant confirmed this to me but said there was no religious reason to ask children not to touch a dog, it was simply a cultural thing. All the other children, of both religions and none approached the dog, and most were happy to stroke it. The child who was told not to touch approached the dog but didn’t touch him. The dog was extremely well behaved (as you would expect from a guide dog) and knew he could be patted because his owner had taken off his harness. When wearing his harness the dog knows he is working and we were told never to touch or approach a guide dog when it is working.

I just thought I’d add that anecdote for interest.

Fleurpepper

Oreo

Or, since we don’t live in an Islamic state, people of all faiths and none have to accept that dogs are a part of life here.They don’t need to pat them on the head.

Why do you mention an 'Islamic State'- why do you have to bring Islam into it. And it is my post that gets deleted!

Some people are truly afraid of dogs- some are British, some are Christians, or not, and some, because of the situation with packs of dogs in the country where their parents or grandparents grew up- have strong fear of dogs. Some may be Hindus, or Sikhs, or Muslims, or not.

Your post about 'Islamic state' is just so wrong and, yes, borders on racism.

Have you read the research, Fleurpepper which was very limited in its scope?

It could also be to do with people being afraid of dogs of course, although that is a subject which has been discussed on other threads too. Also the problem of dog poo.

It is more to do with people of ethnic minorities accessing the countryside, also about growing food.
Although I'm a bit confused about the link between accessing the countryside and climate change, admittedly. Unless people intend to plant more trees.

Islam is not a race, it is a religion. Some Muslim people do believe dogs are unclean but it is not in the Koran, I understand.

It was a report commissioned by the Welsh Government which was under consideration.
A government spokesman today insisted it was not planning to act on the proposal and dogs 'would continue to be welcomed in the hills of Wales'.

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Oreo

Hey RosiesMaw2 you set the cat among the pigeons never mind the dogs😂

😂

The corgis are very upset.
I heard one muttering "What is the world coming to! Everyone knows corgis have the Freedom of Wales".

Goodness only knows what connection they're drawing between dogs and racism - and I live in Wales these days and I'm blowed if I can see it.

I'm trying to work out the connection between racism and climate change.

Perhaps someone can explain.

It might just be possible that the majority of the Islamic community actually don’t want to climb Snowden or chomp the Brecon Beacons. 🤷‍♀️

Oreo

Hey RosiesMaw2 you set the cat among the pigeons never mind the dogs😂

Not at all, her question was fair. But YOU made the comment about 'Islamic State' which is way, way out of order.

Casdon

CariadAgain

Goodness only knows what connection they're drawing between dogs and racism - and I live in Wales these days and I'm blowed if I can see it.

Between that and the Welsh Assembly debating voluntary euthanasia these days (when it's the Government that is going to make that decision - and not them).

Trying to remember now who it is that decided to rename Snowdonia etc - think it was them?

I guess they're looking for ways to justify their well-paid jobs....so they'll dream up any and every topic to make ineffective decisions about.....and goodness only knows what other topics they'll think up for debate if they manage to get the extra members they're trying to have.....

Welsh Assembly? Welsh Government (Senedd) from 2020.
It is likely that the Assisted dying for terminally ill adults bill will need to be approved by the Welsh Government. Health is devolved.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn4v0e8pvxko
It was the National Parks Authority who decided to called Eyri by its original name rather than the English version of it. Some Welsh people would be offended by what you said, it’s is reverting, not being renamed.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpvz1k23zlwo#:~:text=Wales'%20tallest%20mountain%20will%20continue,official%20communication%20in%20November%202022.

It at first looked like the Assembly would have to approve it in Wales specifically - but, on further reading, it didn't look like they can (even though the Welsh NHS broke off from the rest as I understand it some years back).

Guess they'd got visions of a whole new version of "border crossing" - after anyone near the border crossed over the border for those instances where Lockdown was harsher in Wales than England. That led to people in a couple of places literally crossing the road to the other side - as they were more restricted on one side of the street literally than the other in those places where the border goes right through a town.

Obviously - any harsher health environment in Wales than England in regard to this would be likely to result in many people near enough to the border dropping their Welsh doctors practice and re-registering with a nearby English one. Followed by banner headline articles of people denied access to this because of being a few miles the Welsh side - when they could get it okay on the English side. Cue for banner headline article of sad/ill-looking person sitting in wheelchair or the like saying "My friend (in England) that has decided on this can get it - why can't I just because I'm in Wales?"