The Farmers Fight

Casdon

Allira

Casdon

I’m not sure what you mean Allira, would you not define North Korea, for example, as a communist country?

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I would not hold that up as an example of an ideal state.

How many millions have been oppressed and died in the name of Communism?

That wasn’t really the question though, it’s an example of the model rather than the application?

Which is what I said in answer to a question.

LizzieDrip

petal & ronib have you looked at the definition of communism???

I commented:
The definition is quite different from the realities which we have seen over the last century.

No idea why that comment was questioned.

Because you put a spin on it Allira.

‘communism, political and economic doctrine that aims to replace private property and a profit-based economy with public ownership and communal control of at least the major means of production and the natural resources of a society.’
27 Oct 2024
www.britannica.com
That is how communist countries operate, the model of leadership is what causes conflict.

Wyllow3

Its just that I haven't seen any evidence David that the last or indeed this government has argued that its good to import food as its "greener" and that they are "greenwashing" in this way.

It probably isn’t “greener” that’s just your interpretation but if it’s not produced in the UK the emissions don’t count towards the UK climate target

A cow in Argentina or Ireland produces the same emissions as a UK cow, more imports less emissions for UK. That’s true of all imports don’t you understand that.

Casdon feels like that’s the direction of travel under Starmer and I don’t think it will end well.
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Allira no-one in this discussion, as far as I can see, is holding up Communism as an example of an ideal state. Rather, we’re making the point that Communism and Socialism are different.

ronib if you have lived experience of a Communist state, then you will know how different it is to Socialism. Otherwise, I suppose you’re just ‘imagining’ they’re the same

ronib what petition is that please?

LizzieDrip it’s easy to let one’s imagination run wild on this forum …. Flights of fancy and all that. To be serious, Labour is giving every impression of following a half socialist, half communist approach but caring and sharing it is not. The lived experience is now unfortunately.

ronib

Casdon feels like that’s the direction of travel under Starmer and I don’t think it will end well.
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No ronib, it really doesn’t feel like we are headed towards a communist state, in any respect. I think we all understand that you don’t like the Labour government but exaggerating their actions so grossly doesn’t help your case at all.

LizzieDrip - it may be the Call a General Election Now petition 😂😵‍💫. I’ve just seen a very silly post on our village Facebook group asking us to sign. The man posting has strange ideas about mobile phone posts to name but one. Labour won here this time after years of an invisible Tory. Thankfully the post has so far had some entertaining responses, none in support of this daft idea
As corporal Jones might say, the don’t like it up’em do they

This government is a million miles from communism. MaizieD’s response, questioning whether socialism can be applied is reasonable (even though I’m a supporter if this govt)

Casdon it seems very evident that I am not alone in disliking this particular government.

Of course yiu aren’t ronib. It’s politics init.

Thankfully the fixed term parliament was repealed in 2022. Still another 4 and a half years of nonsense….

ronib

Casdon it seems very evident that I am not alone in disliking this particular government.

No government ever has the support of the whole electorate ronib, and people who oppose whoever is in power have every right to voice their objections. It’s the nonsense I object to, when people say things that patently aren’t true, which is what you did above.

LizzieDrip - it may be the Call a General Election Now petition 😂😵‍💫. I’ve just seen a very silly post on our village Facebook group asking us to sign

Really Iam. I’m not on Facebook so it’s passed me by. Sounds hilarious🤣🤣🤣

GrannyGravy13

Totally agree Sarnia

It is always good to remember *NO FARMERS, NO FOOD*

It is happening in France and Spain too.

NO FARMERS, NO FOOD ..

It is truly a horror story ..

Casdon go and chat to anyone with links to the farming community for a reality check.

David49

Wyllow3

Its just that I haven't seen any evidence David that the last or indeed this government has argued that its good to import food as its "greener" and that they are "greenwashing" in this way.

It probably isn’t “greener” that’s just your interpretation but if it’s not produced in the UK the emissions don’t count towards the UK climate target

A cow in Argentina or Ireland produces the same emissions as a UK cow, more imports less emissions for UK. That’s true of all imports don’t you understand that.

Yes I understand that of course but not the claim that governments have advised us to buy or supported food imports or made food policy for those reasons or even counted them in or out (factoring in air or other transport miles).

ronib

Casdon go and chat to anyone with links to the farming community for a reality check.

ronib what are you talking about? I live in a farming community for goodness sake, and believe me, I’ve never met a single farmer who thinks like you do, even the most Tory ones do have a good understanding of the government policies and how they will be impacted by them - and none of them think we are turning into a communist state.

Casdon more fool them.

Goodness, we certainly don't have anything like communism is the UK and with regard to farming, it's the total opposite. You could make a strong argument that under the Conservative govt, farmers were left to sink or swim with a greater emphasis on a capitalist ownership of land. As it stands most of the land in the UK is owned by 1% of the population! Communism tended strongly towards ownership of the land by the people, farmed collectively and controlled by the government, which is a million miles away from what we have in the UK.

Family farms will be sold and the small peasant farmer will be no more.

Wyllow3

David49

Wyllow3

Its just that I haven't seen any evidence David that the last or indeed this government has argued that its good to import food as its "greener" and that they are "greenwashing" in this way.

It probably isn’t “greener” that’s just your interpretation but if it’s not produced in the UK the emissions don’t count towards the UK climate target

A cow in Argentina or Ireland produces the same emissions as a UK cow, more imports less emissions for UK. That’s true of all imports don’t you understand that.

Yes I understand that of course but not the claim that governments have advised us to buy or supported food imports or made food policy for those reasons or even counted them in or out (factoring in air or other transport miles).

They havn’t mentioned the climate target benefits of importing so many other things from cars to cuddly toys either.

Greenwashing is rife everywhere it’s a big con, companies are simply buying carbon credits, passing the cost onto consumers and carrying on as before, Tesla make its profit by selling carbon credits to other manufacturers, said to be £1000 per car

I’m a long way from being convinced that the UK population is serious about climate change they just pay the climate taxes and carry on as before.

That’s made me smile ronib, as peasant farmers predate the Industrial Revolution. I’m impressed that you know 300 year old farmers.

Casdon peasant farming in my family for generations as for much of the population. Also have studied history.