The Farmers Fight

LizzieDrip

^So Just Stop Oil disrupting the traffic is bad, but farmers doing the same is cheered on^

Funny that isn’t it🤷‍♀️

What just stop oil are disrupting and causing mayhem for isn’t deliverable. The farmers are protesting and Reeves could reverse this disgusting tax grab if she wanted to to.

Fleurpepper

GrannyGravy13

Allira

I read the police will arrest farmers driving tractors into London tomorrow.

On what grounds?

If they do start arresting farmers for a peaceful protest then it is definitely two tier policing.

if they are, it would be for causing an obstruction. To police, to ambulances, etc. I find it puzzling that some people say that all those causing an obstruction when protesting, be it for climate change, etc, should be arrested and taken away- but not farmers with massive tractors?

I find it puzzling that some people say

Some people say - but which some people?
Are they the same some people?

“Fine, David, but what did the farmers live on?”

Very often the wife wages!

Whatever the farm produces goes back into working capital, you’ve heard of inflation, everything costs more year on year the farm needs more capital to keep going.

escaped

Good for them! I hope they deposit tons of manure on the doorstep of Downing Street.

I'm not knowledgeable on farming, but I've lived enough years in rural France and Devon to understand somewhat. Looking at it from the human angle, farming has always held a place of importance in our national consciousness. I hate to see traditions eroded which will inevitably bring numerous problems to an already suffering industry. Not just financially in terms of livelihoods, but emotionally too. We know suicide in the agricultural sector has already grown in recent years. Does the government really want to add more stresses and pressure to the lives of these hardworking people?

They don’t care. They want to raise more taxes, as they said they wouldn’t! Labour governments always want to raise more taxes, but because they promised certain taxes that affect ordinary people wouldn’t rise, they have looked for easy targets. The farmers are an easy target. RR and KS haven’t a clue about farming, but I’d have thought even they would have been bright enough to realise that if farmers need to pay so much IHT that their farms are no longer viable, that food would then need to be imported. But that will cause a big problem with carbon emissions, but never mind, so long as they’ve hit the ‘wealthy’ farmers.

Ilovecheese

So Just Stop Oil disrupting the traffic is bad, but farmers doing the same is cheered on.

I was using it as a reply to one poster who said the police may move them on or arrest them. I am not starting a discussion on Just Stop Oil. Both groups have valid view points. This was a reflection on the policing.

Just a thought ….Many pensioners are cash poor, asset rich but inheritance tax is still demanded which usually means selling the house or getting a loan.

A home is a home and while it may not be a business it is still a family inheritance and if lost, devastating for the family.

Why do we pay 40% and those affected farmers will pay only 20%.and wealthy investors who are busy buying up farm land to avoid taxes are saving themselves an absolute fortune.

Its right that people who have just acquired land in order to avoid IT should be taxed, and the well off have ways and means of getting out of IT

www.theguardian.com/money/2024/oct/29/loophole-exempts-landowners-england-inheritance-tax-data-shows

What I feel has been lacking imo is a real long term view about food production in the UK, who produces the food, how best we can be more self-sufficient, how small farmers fit into the picture when food-producing, when considering the rates of IT and the levels when they should start.

Facts about IHT on farms, from BBC Verify:

www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8rlk0d2vk2o

Quote keepingquiet Mon 18-Nov-24 11:05:22
Anniebach
Farmers are staunch conservative supporters
Not all of them are- how do you know?
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I should have said -in Wales,I know because I have canvassed
in general elections since the sixties , in Wales

GrannyGravy13

Allira

I read the police will arrest farmers driving tractors into London tomorrow.

On what grounds?

If they do start arresting farmers for a peaceful protest then it is definitely two tier policing.

if they are, it would be for causing an obstruction. To police, to ambulances, etc. I find it puzzling that some people say that all those causing an obstruction when protesting, be it for climate change, etc, should be arrested and taken away- but not farmers with massive tractors?

Terribull - lots of these people have acquired land precisely because of the previous 0% tax!

LizzieDrip

^So Just Stop Oil disrupting the traffic is bad, but farmers doing the same is cheered on^

Funny that isn’t it🤷‍♀️

Especially 'funny' when you consider that if we don't seriously cut our fossil fuel consumption farmers will have far more to worry about than IHT.

We're already seeing the effect of climate change in our weather patterns, patterns which are already adversely affecting farming.

Anniebach

Farmers are staunch conservative supporters

Not all of them are- how do you know?

So Just Stop Oil disrupting the traffic is bad, but farmers doing the same is cheered on

Funny that isn’t it🤷‍♀️

As for David's suggestion that farmers should only farm on alternate years - I'm gobsmacked that anyone should be so ignorant about how farming actually works

Me too.

Farmers are staunch conservative supporters

I stand with our farmers. For many years a family member was from such a family, this stance against our hardworking food producers, the working population, is nothing but a political manouvre, ideologically driven by advice from left wing university lecture, one man, Arun Advani, no discussion with anyone else as far as I can see. Just dropped into the conversation. Starmer in a previous interview said he would defend farming. Another lie from a man we cannot trust.
Rather like Reeves taking advice from "pensioners are codgers, who should pay more tax" Troup.
This inheritance tax, having to sell family farms, no passing on, reducing our food supplies for inferior , tax miles imports, food.
Well at least that's a lot of votes less for Labour at the next election.

So Just Stop Oil disrupting the traffic is bad, but farmers doing the same is cheered on.

Similar to provide the housing that the boat people have come to expect

What?

As a retired farmer I would really like to know how Reeves is calculating her "only 20% of farmers will be affected" .
We were in Warwickshire where the majority of farms are over 300 acres - which equates to a value of at least £3 million so all of these would be affected. In fact a 300 acre farm is considered small and only just economic there.
As for David's suggestion that farmers should only farm on alternate years - I'm gobsmacked that anyone should be so ignorant about how farming actually works!

Allira

MaizieD

The fact that a farm might be worth £millions is irrelevant if it is to remain as a farm producing food for the population and not to be sold off for housing or to build yet another shopping mall, warehousing etc.

You forgot to mention that the farm is likely to be bought by a very wealthy person seeking to avoid inheritance tax. Not all farmland is adjacent to urban areas and likely to be sold for housing, shopping malls, etc.

Yes, but TerriBull points out the perils of farms being bought up by corporations, private equity funds etc as future generations may find it impossible to pay the IHT and make a living.

Do we want that?

Look what has happened to some of our care homes which were bought by a soulless private equity firm.

No, we don't want that, Allira. Which is why the government has tried to curtail the practice by imposing IHT on the inheritance of land.

When it comes down to it, unless you want to impose some sort of controls on who is actually 'allowed' to buy land I can't see an alternative. Maybe others can?

there is a hidden agenda.

Forced iht land sales to the men in suits, who build massive solar farms to generate lots of income. Similar to provide the housing that the boat people have come to expect

I know several farmers, land custodians, who work incredibly long hours day in day out. Mucky conditions in all weathers. They don`t earn more than a survival pittance

Look after our farmers, or else

MaizieD

^The fact that a farm might be worth £millions is irrelevant if it is to remain as a farm producing food for the population and not to be sold off for housing or to build yet another shopping mall, warehousing etc.^

You forgot to mention that the farm is likely to be bought by a very wealthy person seeking to avoid inheritance tax. Not all farmland is adjacent to urban areas and likely to be sold for housing, shopping malls, etc.

Not all warehousing, shopping malls, are next to urban areas either.

Many are in the countryside.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Farmers don’t have the public sector option of working a four day week in the comfort of their urban homes on a 9-5. They don’t have a gold plated pension for shuffling paper around and passing the buck when they fail miserably in their remit and they don’t take £107K worth of freebies.

Over bloated public sector office based jobs are out of kilter with the reality of what is sustainable in the private sector. I imagine if employees who have always been employed in the public sector switch into a non based government position in the private sector they might be in for somewhat of an awakening.

MaizieD

^The fact that a farm might be worth £millions is irrelevant if it is to remain as a farm producing food for the population and not to be sold off for housing or to build yet another shopping mall, warehousing etc.^

You forgot to mention that the farm is likely to be bought by a very wealthy person seeking to avoid inheritance tax. Not all farmland is adjacent to urban areas and likely to be sold for housing, shopping malls, etc.

Yes, but TerriBull points out the perils of farms being bought up by corporations, private equity funds etc as future generations may find it impossible to pay the IHT and make a living.

Do we want that?

Look what has happened to some of our care homes which were bought by a soulless private equity firm.