The Farmers Fight

James Melville is a conspiracy theorist. He was anti lockdown and an anti vaxxer. He is an associate of the woman who passed on the false story about the Stockport murderer.

He's another of these people, like Matthew Goodwin, who has become progressively odd over the years. I used to follow him on twitter, 8 or 9 years ago, but after a year or two the weirdness got too much for me..

I wouldn't set much store on anything he says.

From the Guardian

"In the UK, the campaign group No Farmers, No Food, which argues against net zero targets,

was started and is being run not by a farmer but by James Melville, a GB News pundit and communications consultant.

Melville retweeted a post from the former LBC host Maajid Nawaz that said: “Farmers stand between us and WEF’s desire for us to EAT BUGS, own nothing and be happy.”

Melville also shared a post with a conspiracist claim that stated: “Between Bill Gates, the CCP & the WEF, we’re going to have no private farmland left. They want you eating bugs.”

In above post delete "We've only just introduced".

There are conspiracy theories currently active amongst the far right particularly in Europe which are spelt out in FGT's post:

ie its all the fault of Climate Activists,
and Net Zero targets,
and government plots to collectivise land.

But upthread we have already looked at UK factors

ie

rising costs of land and reduced availability partly due to buying up for investment purposes or/and purposes other than food production as more profitable

prices farmers can charge seriously squeezed over a long period of time by supermarket price wars

all farmers affected by cheap food from abroad and changing consumer food habits

this has led to a slow and long term reduction of small farms going out of business into bigger units and has had nothing to do with state actions.

We've only just introduced

This doesn't mean to say that the shouldn't be a balance, but this is where the conspiracy theories come from. As for IT being introduced as some kind of collectivisation plot, words fail...

I think this thread is going. Bit flat earth society’ish..

Who is coordinating?

I agree with you FGT.
I think climate change/net zero could be driving this agenda.
I thought previously in the UK it was about Conservative voting farmers, but possibly not. There does seem to be something of an agenda going on.

But even so... it does lead to the same thing, high prices, reduced food, stupid net zero targets and future starvation

Depopulation? But not those who orchestrate this, of course?

There seems to be a coordinated attack against farming across Europe and even though they seem unconnected what they all have in 'common' is an indication that is linked to 'climate change' political activists. This cannot be a co-incidence.

Netherlands has damaged live farming by banning fertilzer, Denmark is trying to tax Cow emissions (both ends), which is not a absurd as some in the UK who have suggested 'nappies'; should be 'compulsory' for Cows and livestock.

And now we have a state 'collectivization' process to let the state take over farms by an insidious means of default inheritance tax. All of this seems to me a direction of the WEF, but I could be wrong, it may well be gross incompetence. But even so... it does lead to the same thing, high prices, reduced food, stupid net zero targets and future starvation, leading to a 'climate change'.

LizzieDrip

I thought this was meant to be a discussion forum, where different views can be aired -
but feel free to report me Allira if you believe I’m bullying you online.

Of course I won't.
It wasn't you in particular .
Better for posts to be left for all to read.

You'd think it would be let go by now, though. But no.

MaizieD

^Yes it’s easy for farmers to do other things, so who is going to grow the food in the UK if there is not a living to be made.^

What foxie was pointing out was that farmers have been cutting down on farming and using their land for more profitable enterprises for quite some time now. Why should they continue with a business that doesn't provide much of a living if there are more profitable uses for their land?

Exactly!

So where will our food come from?

Not many people remember WW2 now, some may remember rationing of course, but DH remembers receiving food parcels from an Aunt in Australia.

Food security is of paramount importance.

MaizieD

^Yes it’s easy for farmers to do other things, so who is going to grow the food in the UK if there is not a living to be made.^

What foxie was pointing out was that farmers have been cutting down on farming and using their land for more profitable enterprises for quite some time now. Why should they continue with a business that doesn't provide much of a living if there are more profitable uses for their land?

A point here is that it's not just small farmers who can "use their land for more profitable enterprises for quite some time now".
It's medium and big too. It's not just a "small farmers" crisis as regards food production with price squeezes by supermarkets and food from abroad. How can we move back to higher levels of food production

Well we do diverge. Maisie is not posh, she is proper Yorkshire and very funny.

youtu.be/U46jxG7JME8?feature=shared

David49

foxie48

I should add that it's very easy to put up agricultural buildings under the 5 hectares rule (just over 12 acres) and tbh once they are up no one is really interested in what they are actually being used for so I know of several farms that store all sorts of things from legal documents to wine.

“I should add that it's very easy to put up agricultural buildings under the 5 hectares rule (just over 12 acres) and tbh once they are up no one is really interested in what they are actually being used for so I know of several farms that store all sorts of things from legal documents to wine.”

Yes it’s easy for farmers to do other things, so who is going to grow the food in the UK if there is not a living to be made.

I am stating a fact not a criticism. I was asked what farmers do and I am giving an example. If you read my previous posts you will know that I have consistently said that farmers need income and if they can earn more by storing wine with less effort than using a farm building to store grain, then that is what they will do.

Yes it’s easy for farmers to do other things, so who is going to grow the food in the UK if there is not a living to be made.

What foxie was pointing out was that farmers have been cutting down on farming and using their land for more profitable enterprises for quite some time now. Why should they continue with a business that doesn't provide much of a living if there are more profitable uses for their land?

foxie48

I should add that it's very easy to put up agricultural buildings under the 5 hectares rule (just over 12 acres) and tbh once they are up no one is really interested in what they are actually being used for so I know of several farms that store all sorts of things from legal documents to wine.

“I should add that it's very easy to put up agricultural buildings under the 5 hectares rule (just over 12 acres) and tbh once they are up no one is really interested in what they are actually being used for so I know of several farms that store all sorts of things from legal documents to wine.”

Yes it’s easy for farmers to do other things, so who is going to grow the food in the UK if there is not a living to be made.

I don’t wear a Barbour jacket but I do call the toilet the loo.
I have some family heirlooms but I don’t have any antiques (I’m not sure anyone in the family will want the heirlooms though when I’m gone)
I’ve got quite a lot of wine but I don’t have a wine cellar (or a cellar at all)
I always called my mum mum but I sometimes called my dad daddy

Am I posh?

(I’m not a farmer)

I thought this was meant to be a discussion forum, where different views can be aired -
but feel free to report me Allira if you believe I’m bullying you online.

Oh do give it a rest please.

I just happened to comment on a woman who was sneering on a TV programme and you are turning it into a campaign of online bullying.

I agree HPQ it is a horrid word.

I’d like to think that we’re all determined by our actions, words and behaviour towards others - not by some daft 19th Century construct of superiority!

Posh:

Port Out Starboard Home

Allira all opinions on GN are equally valid, unless they’re offensive.

Allira

Posh.

Interesting interpretation. Mine is that Maisie was born into a family of hard working high achievers who were rightfully recognised for this, she is lucky, fortunate, but not posh, whatever that horrid word means

You forgot: Wear a Barbour jacket

No Allira I didn’t. The list I gave above is from a survey - not my words.

I absolutely don’t think someone is ‘posh’ because they wear a Barbour jacket. That would be a ridiculously small-minded conclusion to come to.

LizzieDrip

I don’t think Maisie Adam’s fits into the ‘posh stereotype’. But, even if she does, does that make her an ‘awful’ person? I don’t think so.

Posh, out of touch, no clue. Her food arrives pre-packaged on a supermarket shelf. Awful woman Allira why so judgemental?

😂😂😂

Oh, that is priceless!
So much judgement on GN of so many, and I get picked up and challenged for not liking what a TV personality said.

😂