Putin lowers the nuclear threshold, as longrange missiles start to hit further inland

There is opposition in Russia to the war, but as you can imagine its brutally squashed

www.amnesty.org/en/projects/anti-war-protest-in-russia/

How do you stop a desperate madman who has a nuclear button in his hand?

A very very different 'game' for sure. Especially a madman who does not care anymore for himself or his people. Bears that are losing power are the most dangerous.

ronib

Iam64 so how and when is Putin stopped? The game playing is very much in Putin’s favour. The West is being crippled very effectively by very high food and energy prices caused by this war.

I won’t do too many back and forths with you but I do wonder why you keep talking down the capabilities of the West.
The West isn’t crippled at all if it comes to a conflict with Russia and the US wouldn’t sit on its hands either.

Am sure that Putin does care about himself and his family and his place at the top of the tree in Russia.

Oreo it’s not back and forth for the sake of it though. I am genuinely disturbed by the development of this war over the last 3 years.
The West has been on the back foot for the last 3 years and I have no confidence in any resolution soon.

Oreo

ronib

Iam64 so how and when is Putin stopped? The game playing is very much in Putin’s favour. The West is being crippled very effectively by very high food and energy prices caused by this war.

I won’t do too many back and forths with you but I do wonder why you keep talking down the capabilities of the West.
The West isn’t crippled at all if it comes to a conflict with Russia and the US wouldn’t sit on its hands either.

No-one has talked down the capabilities of the West- but asked how it works in a nuclear age, once one power obsessed madman, or two or three - decide to use that option? You seem to totally want to ignore this.

Proliferation was always going to lead to such a diabolically dangerous situation, for ALL involved, or not for that matter.

How did 'appeasement ' work out last time?
Everything crossed that Oreo is correct.

I don’t know that it helps to ask what happened last time Maremia. We need to take a cold dispassionate approach to what is happening now. There are no rules on this.

Maremia

How did 'appeasement ' work out last time?
Everything crossed that Oreo is correct.

It was a totally different 'ball game' back then.

After this event, many warned very strongly about nuclear proliferation- and that it would lead at some point to exactly where we are now. Madmen, powermad men- all with nuclear weapons. NO comparison whatsoever.

I don't think that Ukraine can ever win this war. It follows that some kind of compromise must be reached. Probably that Russia gains an area of Ukraine in return for strong guarantees that there will be no more incursions into Eastern Europe. Both sides are financially exhausted now. Something should be achievable and it's in all our interests that it happens sooner rather than later.

So if countries don't do what Russia wants the West is over a barrel

winterwhite Totally agree!

Allsorts the West failed this time round. Get over it. Pick your battles. How many millions need to die over ownership of land? Putin is in a class of his own. We needed to listen and we didn’t.

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Iam64

Putin started the game playing. There is no evidence he’s interested in stopping playing. No one should appease an out of control despot

I agree, but what the solution is, I don’t know.

I hope and hope again that Oreo is right, because it’s true that Putin has had to import Koreans to fight his war (I can’t imagine that they are very motivated) and he’s using criminals, offering them early release if they fight in his war.

I just want this war to end, don’t we all? My son keeps saying the west should have gone in harder in the beginning. That we all just stood by and let Putin take Crimea and murder people in our cities, London and Salisbury.

What an unholy mess!

winterwhite

I don't think that Ukraine can ever win this war. It follows that some kind of compromise must be reached. Probably that Russia gains an area of Ukraine in return for strong guarantees that there will be no more incursions into Eastern Europe. Both sides are financially exhausted now. Something should be achievable and it's in all our interests that it happens sooner rather than later.

Absolutely right Winterwhite.

The emergency NATO meting on Tuesday will be key to see what is decided ahead.

Not another emergency NATO meeting?