Farage's humongous hypocrisy re economic migrants!

If anyone's interested (Bevsec or nanna8 maybe) here's an article about him from the Guardian. It talks about his racism but not just that.

www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2024/jun/14/he-was-a-deeply-unembarrassed-racist-nigel-farage-by-those-who-have-known-him

No worries. I was snappy there too
However in many ways in nearly all countries people are via the ballot box and in other ways expressing concerns about immigration. We s a society would do well not to.shout at those people but to have some reasonable discussion about the issues.

And I do get angry about Farage, simply because he is just giving those who follow him a load of old nonsense. He is a publicity hound simply chasing the camera. Has never held any political post down for long, except for when he jumped aboard the gravy boat as an MEP.
I dare say his constituents have already given up on the idea of actually being represented in Parliament.

I’m beginning to be annoyed by the fact that, no matter what the subject, replies start turning into people’s personal grievances about what someone has innocently said. For example, in the above, the comment that it isn’t the Farage show was followed by someone immediately pointing out that Farage was the first word in the article! Can’t people just stick to the point?

Galaxy

I dont need you to explain Farage to me Babs bless you. If you were prepared to get beyond your anger you will see that absolutely nowhere did I say that Farage could do anything about it.
I have no idea why you would think I dont understand Brexit and its impact.

Ah well, I suppose that’s what you call an assumption.
Apologies.

I dont need you to explain Farage to me Babs bless you. If you were prepared to get beyond your anger you will see that absolutely nowhere did I say that Farage could do anything about it.
I have no idea why you would think I dont understand Brexit and its impact.

Galaxy

Because they vote consistently for reductions in immigration and consistently dont get what they vote for. So when that happens people look to people like Farage.

He can’t do anything about it either. Not sure what makes you think he can. Talking a load of tosh just because some people want to hear it is the easiest thing in the world, just visit a pub and listen to the two old boys sounding off at the bar.
That is Farage’s style of politics.
Fact is only when a government establishes close links with EU allies and tackles this collectively can anything change.
But then sadly Farage launched Brexit which is when the small boat crisis took off.
There is a connection there if you care to look for it.

Is this similar to the golden visa rules for multimillionaires from abroad who are given grace and favour by the government to buy up large pieces of land and whole blocks of housing in UK capitals which they then leave empty in order to launder dirty money?
I imagine their antics cost the country more when it comes to blocking affordable housing for British people.
Probably also mates with Nige.
But of course those at the top try very hard to scapegoat the powerless - poor migrants - so that nobody pays attention to the powerful and the damage they are doing to the country.

It aint over till the fat lady sings? 💁

Cossy

petal53

Lots of people don’t like him, and a lot even admit to hating him. Hate is a very strong word and not one to use lightly, especially about a person that you don’t even know.
I don’t like Starmer’s policies (up to now) but I don’t hate him. I don’t know him.

Upthread I meant to write that Galaxy explained why some people like him, I meant she explained why some people don’t like him.

I despise him, along with Trump, Elon Musk and BJ.

I cannot hate them, as I do not know them personally.

The “having tea in Jaywick” made me laugh out loud

Just remember, he who laughs last…….. 😉

GrannyGravy13

Thank you for the link Wyllow3

The billionaires and multi millionaires want to hang on to as much of their money as possible, no change there I am afraid.

I am not in favour of any MP having a second job, whatever party they represent.

I can only hazard a guess that he hasn’t done anything against parliamentary rules?

I wonder if these folks wishing to retain their £’s $’s and €’s still have companies employing people, if they do I hope the appropriate taxes are being paid.

I so agree abut second jobs except those that require a minimum number of hours to keep up law or doctor qualifications (they aren't substantial.)
Parliamentary rules do seem very sparse!

I cant get my own head into the really super rich begrudge taxes that might take a slice away but leave them still wealthy, and live in a society where they know there are food banks and people living on the streets but go their own sweet way -

....and perhaps explains why I failed to see an MP whose constituency includes Jaywick kowtowing to those super rich for personal gain.

Its a sort of moral thing. Just cant get it.

petal53

That’s really interesting Casdon,
thank you.

So it looks as though a convicted murderer, who has served their sentence, could be an MP. That’s interesting. Obviously LH has done nothing like murder someone, but interesting that such a person (a murderer) could stand. Or even a terrorist. I’m going back to check the link, it seems strange. Actually interestingly I think prisoners who are serving longer than two years can’t vote either, I seem to remember that going to the human rights court years ago.

Yes, I think they can petal53, as long as the conviction is spent. I also found this, which explains what happens if they are convicted of an offence whilst in office. Only if a sentence is over 12 months are they disqualified from their role apparently.
www.theipsa.org.uk/freedom-of-information/rfi-202204-09

That’s really interesting Casdon,
thank you.

So it looks as though a convicted murderer, who has served their sentence, could be an MP. That’s interesting. Obviously LH has done nothing like murder someone, but interesting that such a person (a murderer) could stand. Or even a terrorist. I’m going back to check the link, it seems strange. Actually interestingly I think prisoners who are serving longer than two years can’t vote either, I seem to remember that going to the human rights court years ago.

Thank you for the link Wyllow3

The billionaires and multi millionaires want to hang on to as much of their money as possible, no change there I am afraid.

I am not in favour of any MP having a second job, whatever party they represent.

I can only hazard a guess that he hasn’t done anything against parliamentary rules?

I wonder if these folks wishing to retain their £’s $’s and €’s still have companies employing people, if they do I hope the appropriate taxes are being paid.

Reform UK pays landlord £4k after tenancy row -

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0qdkv0k7xwo

could have been a constituency base? Very weird.

GrannyGravy13

Parliament was in conference recess from 13/09/24 - 06/10/24

At leat he wasn’t missing from the H of P

Has anyone got a link to his speech? I would like to hear what he actually said, before condemning him (that doesn’t mean I support him by the way)

Checked it out, GG13, no record of what he said exactly but this gives an idea of his reputation, it's a report on the NOMAD conference 2024 (it was straight after Reform Conference.) And includes references to and images of Farage.

short u tube

www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA8T29zWNCw

This is an MP who still doesnt hold constituency surgeries. which isnt a rule but a reasonable expectation?

petal53

Whether or not any person is suitable to be an MP seems to depend on the writer’s own point of view. Since that is not actually a qualification, we need to look further than that. So are there any rules about who can be an MP? I’m afraid I’m ignorant of the answer to my own question, maybe others know, but I’m looking for facts, not points of view.

This is the guidance petal53. The exclusions for eligibility do not include spent convictions by the look of it.

www.parliament.uk/about/mps-and-lords/members/electing-mps/candidates/

petal53

Whether or not any person is suitable to be an MP seems to depend on the writer’s own point of view. Since that is not actually a qualification, we need to look further than that. So are there any rules about who can be an MP? I’m afraid I’m ignorant of the answer to my own question, maybe others know, but I’m looking for facts, not points of view.

I’m not sure there are any “rules” as such other than each particular party has to select them as candidates and their constituency has to vote them in.

I’m pretty sure if one is a convicted felon this might lead them to be disregarded by their own party.

I guess what constitutes a “good MP or PM” is a personal decision, for me tthe being honest, being inclusive, working and representing ALL people, being visible, understanding people’s needs and being fair.

IMO, the previous govt didn’t meet this criteria, and at this moment, the jury is out on Starmer and crew, I’m giving them time and 🙏🙏🙏🙏.

Btw, I’m still waiting for a list of Starmer’s many lies???

petal53

Whether or not any person is suitable to be an MP seems to depend on the writer’s own point of view. Since that is not actually a qualification, we need to look further than that. So are there any rules about who can be an MP? I’m afraid I’m ignorant of the answer to my own question, maybe others know, but I’m looking for facts, not points of view.

I dont know, perhaps google can tell you?

BevSec

growstuff

nanna8

I haven’t heard any racist comments from him . They must’ve have been when I was asleep. I don’t like labelling people without proof .

Yes, you must have been asleep.

He is not racist nanna8, its not correct to label someone as racist just because they do not want uncontrolled illegal immigration.

Indeed it isn't, but that's not just what he wants.

Whether or not any person is suitable to be an MP seems to depend on the writer’s own point of view. Since that is not actually a qualification, we need to look further than that. So are there any rules about who can be an MP? I’m afraid I’m ignorant of the answer to my own question, maybe others know, but I’m looking for facts, not points of view.

(Illustrate not illiterate)

As regards Farage and racism, it is connected sometimes to irregular migration, but he does have a history of remarks, tho he is a lot more careful now.

For example during the 2015 general election, Farage suggested Muslims in Britain “lack British values” and described them as wanting to form “a fifth column and kill us”, and trying to “change who we are and what we are”.

On that famous bus he used for Brexit (quickly withdrawn, if memory serves), although the immigration concerns in Brexit were primarily about freedom of movement in the EU,

his bus used images of a long queue of Syrian (ie clearly Muslim) refugees to illiterate his point (even tho the ones in the image weren't coming to the UK)

nanna8

He is very entertaining and a really good speaker which is more than you can say for the Labour lot. You wouldn’t want him to be PM but he is a good opposition speaker. After listening to him I’m actually starting to like him ( a bit ) . He certainly inspires hatred on here which is enough to make me see what he is about. Never seen so many nasty comments.

He is entertaining, well educated and a good orator, just like Johnson.

Neither are either MP or PM material and another trait they share is the ability to make people believe they really care about others.

I remember Farage’s shenanigans as an MEP and Johnson’s rather smeared career as a journalist prior to entering politics.

Neither are my “cup of tea” I’m afraid.

petal53

Lots of people don’t like him, and a lot even admit to hating him. Hate is a very strong word and not one to use lightly, especially about a person that you don’t even know.
I don’t like Starmer’s policies (up to now) but I don’t hate him. I don’t know him.

Upthread I meant to write that Galaxy explained why some people like him, I meant she explained why some people don’t like him.

I despise him, along with Trump, Elon Musk and BJ.

I cannot hate them, as I do not know them personally.

The “having tea in Jaywick” made me laugh out loud