People in glass houses.....

I'm pretty sure come next year, Trump will be handing out pardons like sweets. Starting with himself.

Iam64

Jeanathome - I try to avoid conspiracy theories. Despite which I do occasionally wonder about the power of money to influence
I
May be naive but I worry more about America than the UK

There is absolutely no doubt that money is a very powerful influencer. Look no further than very wealthy newspaper owners who use their papers to influence their readers.

Remember 'It's the Sun wot Won It' when Murdoch gave jis support to Blair in the 1997 GE.

And the enormous amount of money spent on 'dark adverts', on Social Media, targeted to those considered most receptive to them (and which no-one else saw) in the run up to Brexit. A strategy which I hold to be utterly undemocratic as it gives other 'views' absolutely no opportunity to respond.

Not to mention the well funded lobbying groups...

There's a LOT of influential money swilling around the political arena...

Purely domestic US business. More concerning is Trump and his foreign and trade policies though they may not in practice (despite his rhetoric) differ greatly from Biden's given the latter's expansion of tariffs.

I hardly blame him, considering the stuff that Trump has done and all the crimes he's got away with. What's really wrong is the fact that US presidents can do the pardoning thing at all. But since they can, and most of them have, then I can't blame Biden for keeping his son out of prison. It must have made him sick to his stomach thinking of the things Trump has got away with scot free. I'd have done the same.

Plain wrong but pot and kettle! Biden doing it while he still has the power to do so. Trump will pardon himself... Absolute joke!

Biden proves, yet again, that every word that comes out of his mouth is a lie.

GrannyGravy13

POTUS Biden is morally wrong to have done this.

POTUS Trump is, well just unbelievable!

Absolutely.

Why is Trump unbelievable?

Arto1s

Why is Trump unbelievable?

Because he lies perhaps? If you lie blatantly-how are people to know when you might be telling the truth, if ever?

Based on factual - recorded - evidence of what Trump has said during the run-up to the election, it's not impossible that Biden had a very good reason for pardoning his son. In spite of saying he wouldn't.

Rather than me cut-and-paste, read the following link - it's a safe link, to SNOPES which is considered a reliable fact-check resource which provides even-handed analysis; and its cited sources and reputable analyses confirm its accuracy.

... and make up your own mind who Trump might be targeting, or what he actually means, when he talks about "the enemy from within".

I have my own view, but I won't try to colour yours by expressing it.

www.snopes.com/news/2024/10/21/trump-use-military-opponents/

If people justify the poor behaviour of the people on 'their team' then why would anyone pay attention to their concerns about the moral behaviour of the other side.

Such rubbish on here. Biden and his whole family are corrupt criminals. I cannot wait for Trump to be a real President. Heaven help you over there with weak Starmer.

Arto1s

Such rubbish on here. Biden and his whole family are corrupt criminals. I cannot wait for Trump to be a real President. Heaven help you over there with weak Starmer.

IYO
We just know that Trump is a felon, who lies, and cheats. If that’s what you like as a governor then you’re welcome to him.

Galaxy

If people justify the poor behaviour of the people on 'their team' then why would anyone pay attention to their concerns about the moral behaviour of the other side.

Actually Galaxy, you put it so much better than I did. Thank you.

You have no idea what is going on over here

You need to look back at what Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama were saying YEARS ago. It sounds like Trump today.
Go figure. Go investigate…..

We only need to look at Trump.
If you’re saying the rest of your government are bad too . . .

Arto1s

You have no idea what is going on over here

... by the same token, maybe you are equally uninformed about what's going on over here?

Apart from what you glean from X or 'Truth Social'.

- or the opinions of relatives and friends whose opinions you might highlight, so long as they agree with yours.

Arto1s

You have no idea what is going on over here

We think we do.

Just saying.

Galaxy

If people justify the poor behaviour of the people on 'their team' then why would anyone pay attention to their concerns about the moral behaviour of the other side.

Well said!

And the enormous amount of money spent on 'dark adverts', on Social Media, targeted to those considered most receptive to them (and which no-one else saw) in the run up to Brexit

That’s right MaizieD.

Listening to the The Secret Agents podcast on the Musk ‘donation’ issue, they are taking it really seriously. The Secret Agents are reputable, experienced political journalists, not given to hyperbole and conspiracy theory.

Their opinion is that (if the donation does happen) the money will likely be spent in a similar way e.g. purchasing and analysing enormous amounts of data on millions of people, who will then be digitally targeted according to sophisticated demographics etc.

In other words ‘brainwashed’ ahead of the next election. That’s why any donation will be made sooner rather than later - allowing 4 years to drip feed the Reform PLC message into people’s psyche in a highly targeted, unregulated, insidious manner.

It worked with Brexit - Farage has form on this approach. Who better to help him this time but the world’s richest man / social media mogul!

Dickens

Based on factual - recorded - evidence of what Trump has said during the run-up to the election, it's not impossible that Biden had a very good reason for pardoning his son. In spite of saying he wouldn't.

Rather than me cut-and-paste, read the following link - it's a safe link, to SNOPES which is considered a reliable fact-check resource which provides even-handed analysis; and its cited sources and reputable analyses confirm its accuracy.

... and make up your own mind who Trump might be targeting, or what he actually means, when he talks about "the enemy from within".

I have my own view, but I won't try to colour yours by expressing it.

www.snopes.com/news/2024/10/21/trump-use-military-opponents/

What comes across amongst other issues in your reference is how appallingly cognitively challenged Trump is and just full of bile.

Arto1s we have a regular poster from the US who gives a detailed and completely different view of events in the US as well as our own detailed reading. We know enough.

Annewilko

I'm pretty sure come next year, Trump will be handing out pardons like sweets. Starting with himself.

That would be a disastrous and stupid move on his part. Still handing a pardon to a known felon, H Biden, to cover last ten years, wasn't such a good move either. Corruption alive and well in US politics.

Wyllow3

What comes across amongst other issues in your reference is how appallingly cognitively challenged Trump is and just full of bile.

He sometimes talks like an untutored gangster in an American 'B' movie from the early 50s. "Bad people" and "nice guys"...

He doesn't appear to be able to withstand any criticism and seems to take it very personally, I think that's partly why he's full of bile - crushed ego.

When he does his 'dad-dance' to 'YMCA' at the end of his rallies, I sometimes think, this is all about Trump, the mega-star celebrity, because that's when he looks really happy - among his adoring fans.

Disgusting behaviour from both Biden and trump.
God help us all when he is in power again with his cronies around him..
America is broken im afraid