Toilet training - government responsible ?

My children were toilet trained well before school age, I worked in conjunction with the childminder/nanny to our agreed strategy, I used disposable nappies, worked full time but I don’t recall it being an issue

Farzanah

I agree with Wyllow.
Why pompous?

So do I (agree with Wyllow).

Can you explain what potty training (or lack of it) has to do with socialism, please? And how the government can be blamed after 4 months? Even if a baby was born on the first day they took power he or she wouldn't be anywhere close to potty training at this stage.

I am quite sure despairing and crying "lazy parents" will resolve the issue shortly. Very well done.

I don’t think harking back to our experiences is relevant (yes, both my two wore disposable nappies and were toilet trained well before they went to school, but so what, it’s not a competition with todays parents).
What I’d want to know is whether the children who aren’t toilet trained are also behind their peers in other ways, have they learnt what they needed to equip them to get the best from school. If they haven’t, for their future chances to be increased surely intervention to support them and their parents is the best way forward?

Thanks for your sensible post Casdon.

GrannyGravy13

One of our local primary schools has a yearly intake of between 40-45.

The reception class is split into two halves, each with one full time teacher, one full time TA and one part time TA.

The thought of 34-35 rising fives in one class sends shivers down my spine 🙀

It’s not normal, they had RACC in all the reception classrooms so had to move four class into 3 across reception and year 1, it’s a four form entry school

Casdon

I don’t think harking back to our experiences is relevant (yes, both my two wore disposable nappies and were toilet trained well before they went to school, but so what, it’s not a competition with todays parents).
What I’d want to know is whether the children who aren’t toilet trained are also behind their peers in other ways, have they learnt what they needed to equip them to get the best from school. If they haven’t, for their future chances to be increased surely intervention to support them and their parents is the best way forward?

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Rosiesmaws2 the title thread it was a question in response to Starmer saying the government were going to make children were school ready . I think it’s down to the parents like it always has been or if working nurseries in hand with the parents . These days people don’t take responsibility for snything

Wyllow2 thank you for the information , But it all smacks of the easy option and that seems to be way of the younger generation , my son can’t get staff as the younger ones don’t want to work 9-5 as they would prefer to have a work / life balance !

Farzanah why is it smug ? I truly don’t understand why it can’t be done , I worked and life was very hard but my child was my responsibility. I get that the nappies have changed but don’t mums and it tends to be mums , think of the children not being ready and the bullying they could face ? It just seems anything for an easy life and if that is harsh I am sorry

30 children per class was the maximum limit for Reception, Year 1 and Year 2, plus at least one TA unless that has been changed.
How did I ever manage with 38 children and no help at all?
Quite easily actually.

Who had everyone's children while they worked, please?
It's been asked before, but there were not many definite answers.

It last arose because people were cross that breakfast clubs might help parents.

I’m interested to see how any government can make children potty trained before starting school, unless they are refused entry until they are. Would that then involve further nursery/preschool payments?
Mine had to be dry before starting school, but that’s a long time ago.
More interestingly, in the class of 38-40 reception or sometimes R/Y1 children I was expected to teach until the 30 in a class rule came in, (no TA, but occasionally parent helpers in the afternoons,) the children came in trained. The odd ones whose parents said apologetically that they sometimes had accidents if they got too involved in activities sent in extra clothes just in case, but the routine toileting worked most of the time.
So is it the nappies?
Is the responsibility now on Nurseries, preschool and playgroups?
There are Family Hubs to support parents near us, but working parents don’t have time to go.
Or will it be added to the teacher/TA workload?

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Gin

Perhaps if schools refused to admit children who were not toilet trained it would encourage addressing a very necessary part of a child’s development. Am I being naive? I suppose that would upset everyone.

If the majority of mothers work and the children are at a nursery, do they not toilet trained the children? They charge enough!

We had this ruling at our (independent) school kindergarten, from age 3 and a half plus. You'd be surprised how many became toilet trained overnight. It's possible for anyone to do.

Yes I'm sure you did.....meanwhile back in the real world.

It was playschool that wouldn't take them when I had my girl.
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They had to be reliably toilet trained, so was that 2,5 or 3?

That was a huge incentive to get it done, but I worked evenings then, so was at home in the day.

Laughing at the idea of all the lazy socialist children having accidents.

Oh sorry, the parents are lazy socialists? Or the child? Or all of them?

MissAdventure

Who had everyone's children while they worked, please?
It's been asked before, but there were not many definite answers.

It last arose because people were cross that breakfast clubs might help parents.

No breakfast or after school clubs.

My family home was abroad.

We juggled as we were starting up our own business, part time Nanny, nurseries from 2 or 3 years (depending on child) and a disastrous experience with an au-pair.

Boys were dry night and day by 2 yrs old, daughter by 2 1/2.

Thank you.

Au pair and Nanny. There you go! easy.

My children were with me, while my career died a quiet death.

You seem to have a problem with some posts Jeanathome.
Seeing as we are all talking about a variety of educational settings here, as well as young children in the home, I fail to understand why you take exception to, and sneer at, the efforts made by a certain group of parents who, I can assure you, are as much in the real world as others.

Jeanathome

Au pair and Nanny. There you go! easy.

My children were with me, while my career died a quiet death.

Not at the same time!

I had babies in my arms (on my breast) whilst dealing with customers / suppliers on the phone. Until they were mobile our babies were in prams or on blankets on the floor behind my desk.

Visiting building sites when 41 weeks pregnant, dealing with accounts four days after birth.

Yes easy as pie…

MissAdventure

Who had everyone's children while they worked, please?
It's been asked before, but there were not many definite answers.

It last arose because people were cross that breakfast clubs might help parents.

Childminder, then when I had to travel and had become a single parent, a live in nanny.

The reason imho for the delay in potty training is because for some parents it is just so easy to leave a child in pampers pull ups, they are so absorbent that the child is more than happy to wear them. My children were in Terry nappies and apart from all the drudgery of washing the things there was the fact that baby often got nappy rash. The first disposables came out when our youngest was born but they were not absorbent or comfortable like todays nappies. Like other mums I was eager to get my children out of nappies as soon as, so they were potty trained during the day by the age of two.
These days there is no motivation to get babies out of nappies.

Thank you for all answering.
Sometimes it's like trying to get blood out of a stone.

MissAdventure

Thank you for all answering.
Sometimes it's like trying to get blood out of a stone.

You know me MissA an open book, and not a very interesting one…