Bring it on Elon!

We are all allowed to have our own views.

Denigrating a GN poster because their views are different is neither clever nor funny!

I don't know what you have been listening to David49 but Keir Starmer has often spoken of using the best of already existing resources and expertise from private industry, the state, and charities. He has talked about using the strengths of each sector to address key issues.

Change and improvement did not end with Thatcher. Far from it.

MayBee70

Does sounding superior amount to bullying?

It can. It's a generalisation anyway.

If the threads are all about what we had for lunch, decluttering, do we like Yorkshire puddings with turkey etc GN could become anodyne and boring.

It's interesting to read the views of others even if we disagree and there are some posts which do come across as condescending and superior.

I should look to your reading matter if I were you
Is that acceptable?
It does come across as intolerant of others' views imo.

Nobody listens to the educate yourselves line anymore, I just laugh.

Allira

MayBee70

Does sounding superior amount to bullying?

It can. It's a generalisation anyway.

If the threads are all about what we had for lunch, decluttering, do we like Yorkshire puddings with turkey etc GN could become anodyne and boring.

It's interesting to read the views of others even if we disagree and there are some posts which do come across as condescending and superior.

I should look to your reading matter if I were you
Is that acceptable?
It does come across as intolerant of others' views imo.

I agree it can come across that way, I would not make that kind of comment ‘ I should look to your reading material if I were you’ to any poster.

Allira

MayBee70

Does sounding superior amount to bullying?

It can. It's a generalisation anyway.

If the threads are all about what we had for lunch, decluttering, do we like Yorkshire puddings with turkey etc GN could become anodyne and boring.

It's interesting to read the views of others even if we disagree and there are some posts which do come across as condescending and superior.

I should look to your reading matter if I were you
Is that acceptable?
It does come across as intolerant of others' views imo.

So are you implicating that the decluttering thread is anodyne and boring? Isn’t that a bit superior?

Can we all agree that not all opinions and thoughts are equal. Some thoughts are born out level-headed & thorough research, while some are made from ignorance, poor reasoning, and/or misinformation.

If you agree, than logically, some thoughts ARE superior to others.

Laughing at the line "educate yourself" saddens me, and honestly scares me because I know you're far from alone in that sentiment.

Critical thinking is a skill, and is highly crucial for a democracy to function, as people should be making well-reasoned, well-informed votes (i.e. the correct vote). Otherwise corrupt charlatans will be voted in.

What would be a nicer way to say, you're wrong? Because sitting silently and pretending your thoughts are equal isn't an option when the entire future of the world is at stake.

And quit putting words in peoples mouths with pointless hyperboles. No-one said we want to be like NK where only one opinion is allowed.

All I/we want is critically thinking, well-informed, opinions.

MayBee70
Allira often posts ( and jokes) on the declutterring thread.
You’re reading more into her post than was there.

And yet, what Caleo said was ‘bullying’?

Did you know we don't have freedom of speech in this country, we have freedom of expression? I feel I should have known this but have only recently learned of it.

Legally freedom of expression includes "any activity of seeking, receiving, and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used." Speech, of course is limited by various laws.

Fox News admitted in federal court (as a defense against a lawsuit), that a reasonable person wouldn't consider them as a an actual news source.

Legally speaking, despite their purposefully deceiptive name (that surprisingly doesnt break any laws) they're not a news source (which has more stringent regulation); they're a media source,

I don't think its a coincedence that Fox News is the most watched "news" source in america (by a large margin at that) and that trump won 2 out of 3 elections in america.

And that elon isn't seen by a lot as a creepy, immoral, dumb, manchild that would never be even close to where he is now if he wasnt born to an emerald mine owner.

Those who watch his words and actions (and possibly even are intimate with the history his decade+ public presence) beg to differ.

I still remember those kids stuck in a tight, underwater cave. During the brainstorming phase of their complex rescue operation; Elon butted in (on twitter) with his suggestion of a high-tech submarine, and was dismissed so quickly (because it was so simply dumb as the sub is way too big to get amywhere near them. It was dismissed by a lot (on twitter), but most prominently was the man who actually made and did the rescue plan that later saved those kids.

Elon, in retort, called the man a pedophile.

That was my first clue that he isn't the brilliant, cool Tony Stark (Iron Man) that he would like us to believe (there's a reason he camoed as himself in Iron Man 2)

He isnt the tech genius who invented rockets, teslas, twitter. He just used daddies money to win in the capitilist playground/hellscape.

The reason educate yourself makes me laugh is twofold.
Firstly it was most recently used as a strategy by those responding to womens concerns about single sex spaces and concerns around the transition of children. The 'educators' were wrong and have caused considerable damage.
Secondly I see no evidence that the 'educators' have anything useful to say , they seem to be of the view that telling people they are stupid is an effective political strategy. I disagree and think they have ensured a Trump victory and are more than likely going to ensure Reforms success. I dont want to be educated by people I dont necessarily trust and whose values I dont share. It is pushing even those like myself (centre left) away.

DropppedOut

Ok, well I just don't think anyone should be dying because they couldn't afford insulin (something that costs cents to make), just for an obscenely rich person to just become richer.

That's a very American problem.

PoliticsNerd

DropppedOut

Ok, well I just don't think anyone should be dying because they couldn't afford insulin (something that costs cents to make), just for an obscenely rich person to just become richer.

That's a very American problem.

Then you need to campaign for Americans to stop demonising the national health schemes normal in European countries as "socialist death lists" and to start instead looking at the aims and policies of those schemes. No-one dies because they can't afford insulin in Europe, or because a hospiatal rejects them because they have no health insurance or their skin is the wrong colour. These national initiatives are not just a last-ditch attempt to treat the very poor, either, they are for the whole community, who are the biggest resource the country has.

To DroppedOut, not PoliticsNerd

Galaxy

The reason educate yourself makes me laugh is twofold.
Firstly it was most recently used as a strategy by those responding to womens concerns about single sex spaces and concerns around the transition of children. The 'educators' were wrong and have caused considerable damage.
Secondly I see no evidence that the 'educators' have anything useful to say , they seem to be of the view that telling people they are stupid is an effective political strategy. I disagree and think they have ensured a Trump victory and are more than likely going to ensure Reforms success. I dont want to be educated by people I dont necessarily trust and whose values I dont share. It is pushing even those like myself (centre left) away.

The reason educate yourself makes me laugh is twofold.

Years ago, during the run-up to the Referendum, there was a woman on Facebook who - if you disagreed with her - would tell you to "get educated", and list a selection of dubious You-Tube channels promoting what turned out to be probable conspiracy theories. The alternative 'command' was to "do your research" based on the assumption I assume that no-one had prior to commenting.

Apart from finding it a laughable bit of 'advice' - don't you also feel a tad annoyed that anyone would presume to tell you to 'educate yourself'? Whichever side of the debate they are on?

Apart from finding it a laughable bit of 'advice' - don't you also feel a tad annoyed that anyone would presume to tell you to 'educate yourself'? Whichever side of the debate they are on?

Yes.

Likewise the command Discuss which I have seen on GN, one fairly recently at the end of a lengthy OP.

I thought that I'm not in the Sixth Form Debating Society, I'm thought this was a chat forum.
So my immediate reaction was to say No thanks and scroll on by.

I'm I

Oh dear, I think I'll go and have a lie down in a darkened room.

Allira

I'm I

Oh dear, I think I'll go and have a lie down in a darkened room.

Apart from finding it a laughable bit of 'advice' - don't you also feel a tad annoyed that anyone would presume to tell you to 'educate yourself'? Whichever side of the debate they are on?

I agree. 'Educate yourself' is just shorthand for go away and come back when you agree with me.

MayBee70

Allira

MayBee70

Does sounding superior amount to bullying?

It can. It's a generalisation anyway.

If the threads are all about what we had for lunch, decluttering, do we like Yorkshire puddings with turkey etc GN could become anodyne and boring.

It's interesting to read the views of others even if we disagree and there are some posts which do come across as condescending and superior.

I should look to your reading matter if I were you
Is that acceptable?
It does come across as intolerant of others' views imo.

So are you implicating that the decluttering thread is anodyne and boring? Isn’t that a bit superior?

😂😂😂

You know I'm on the decluttering thread!

I mean it's not likely to cause offence or disagreement which is one of the meanings of anodyne. Another meaning is something to relieve pain which the decluttering thread does, I hope.
But I'm sure an argument could be started on there if you'd like that!!

I have no intention of starting an argument on the decluttering thread. Or anywhere else on gransnet for that matter,

Rosie51

^Apart from finding it a laughable bit of 'advice' - don't you also feel a tad annoyed that anyone would presume to tell you to 'educate yourself'? Whichever side of the debate they are on?^

I agree. 'Educate yourself' is just shorthand for go away and come back when you agree with me.

I agree. 'Educate yourself' is just shorthand for go away and come back when you agree with me.

Like that "wake up sheeple" which was a popular 'argument' on social media sites during the COVID epidemic / lockdown period from those who appeared to believe that virtually overnight, the whole world had colluded to subjugate and control its citizens via vaccinations and lockdowns.

... although the more polite were - well, more polite when urging others to 'wise-up' to the plotting and scheming of the "deep state" and to educate themselves.

I have come to the conclusion that some people have little or no self awareness.