Bring it on Elon!

To be honest I dont hear the word Nazi anymore, it has become utterly meaningless.
The example given on here by David was that GN was a prime target for trolls with right wing views. I found that quite an unusual claim.

Right wing ? Gransnet? Am I living in an alternative universe? More lovey leftie I think.

Septimia

I'm with you Fleurpepper. Our government shouldn't - mustn't - be run by foreign businessmen.

Nor should labour be flying their people over to the USA to support KH, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Neither should the EU be sticking their noses in our affairs as we are no longer involved with the EU- yet people are happy to be governed by the EU.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Saving money within the UK isn’t a bad aim MaizieD. Wastage in one area could enable that money to be put to good use elsewhere!

I can’t wait for the day when Pride rainbows disappear from staff lanyards for example. I bet Musk will empower Reform to become more professional and target areas where change (not you Starmer) can be made. This country is crying out for it and Labour’s not delivering it.

At the last election it was a protest vote. “Anyone but Tory” so Starmer (with his 20% majority) won by default. Not because everyone liked Labour (they didn’t, some had long memories too as to why not) but just because they wanted Change. Starmer tapped into that zeitgeist. Lucky him. Or not, now.

However come the next GE the voters will have a real choice. Not the One Nation ‘Broad church Tories’, not the Labour Party (I won’t say why - it’s early days and Starmer has plenty of time - with Lammy, Reeves - to makes our situation even much worse in the months to come) but with a slick, targeted, professional, patriotic (nope, not a dirty word keep up at the back) Reform Party UK. I just hope I’m still around to see it happen.

Rant over.
I’m off out for a curry night with Himself and friends.

Thanks again everyone for joining in this discussion. It’s good to exchange viewpoints.

Well put FGT2

This doesn't feel patriotic.
It feels like a takeover bid with one individuals personal political whims in mind.

nanna8

Right wing ? Gransnet? Am I living in an alternative universe? More lovey leftie I think.

No. But you are living in a totally different continent so I don’t really understand why you are such an expert in UK politics.

Just wanted to drop by with a quick update on how things are going in the US with Elon.

He derailed the US spending bill today. This will shut down our federal government until at least January. Essential workers will be forced to work without pay for however long Trump and Elon want to do this. The rest will be furloughed. At Christmas.

Hopefully the Republicans in Congress disobey Trump, but Elon has already warned them that if they pass the bill, he will use his Super PAC to primary them out.

He is literally threatening elected members of Congress if they don't do his bidding. They are beholden to HIM, not the people who elected them.

This man should scare everyone.

If it acts as a wake-up call to the other parties, then surely it's a good thing? This government is well aware of how the British public feel on so many issues, but choose to ignore them and go their own sweet way. Is this democracy?

Sheer provocation from FGT2- how very unpleasant.

Really, fleurpepper!

I have just read this thread and really disagree with fgt but that response is unnecessary.

MayBee70

nanna8

Right wing ? Gransnet? Am I living in an alternative universe? More lovey leftie I think.

No. But you are living in a totally different continent so I don’t really understand why you are such an expert in UK politics.

I’m interested in American politics,too. Is that a crime now ? At one stage I studied world politics, not that it is any of your concern.

nanna8

Right wing ? Gransnet? Am I living in an alternative universe? More lovey leftie I think.

Nanna, the reverse, GN is heavily left wing any targeted media trolling would aim to “convert” voters.

I am not sure I agree, I think there is a reasonable balance on GN.
Also MN is quite used to managing trolls, as it has a feminist standpoint it was quite regularly targeted by the pro prostitution lot and the gender activists, those on MN managed to maintain their own opinions despite this

David49

nanna8

Right wing ? Gransnet? Am I living in an alternative universe? More lovey leftie I think.

Nanna, the reverse, GN is heavily left wing any targeted media trolling would aim to “convert” voters.

Yes- I agree with that.

Galaxy

I think it is part of the whole 'people who think differently to me' must be either thick or influenced by SM, AI, etc, it worries me. Presumably we are just as at risk from left wing trolls.

As we saw in the US election media influence can swing voters, most of us, including myself expected Harris to win, yet Trump won both houses.

Don’t expect any Left wing media to compete with right wing media, there are far more vested interests within the business community and they have all the money to pay for a media campaign.

Thankfully it didn’t affect the UK election because everyone had given up on the Tories, it’s the potential for media influence at the next election that concerns me. Musk could easily buy his way into UK politics

kittylester

^Sheer provocation from FGT2- how very unpleasant^.

Really, fleurpepper!

I have just read this thread and really disagree with fgt but that response is unnecessary.

Pot calling the kettle black 😂

David49

nanna8

Right wing ? Gransnet? Am I living in an alternative universe? More lovey leftie I think.

Nanna, the reverse, GN is heavily left wing any targeted media trolling would aim to “convert” voters.

It really isn’t David49, Gransnet isn’t heavily biased towards either right or left. There are many different views on here as there are people, and very few people are at the extremes politically - and because we are individuals, a lot of people have very strong views about some things, and not about others. I do take Galaxy’s, point, I think where we vary is in our personal level of tolerance to people saying things we disagree with

There are also people in the middle. Kind, caring, worried people. Neither communists nor right wingers. People who shudder at some of what is being put out there.

Jeanathome

There are also people in the middle. Kind, caring, worried people. Neither communists nor right wingers. People who shudder at some of what is being put out there.

Please let's put one trope to bed. There are no communists posting on N & P. Anyone who says there are has absolutely no idea what 'communism' means.

Sure, lets add snowflake and woke while we are at it.

Jeanathome

Sure, lets add snowflake and woke while we are at it.

I beg your pardon?

What on earth do you mean by this comment?

Donald Trump does not strike me as the forgiving kind. Labour have made some disparaging remarks about him and he isn't likely to let them go. Farage has cosied up with the Trump camp so what better way to stick 2 fingers up to Starmer & Co then bankroll Reform. Quite funny, really.

Jeanathome

There are also people in the middle. Kind, caring, worried people. Neither communists nor right wingers. People who shudder at some of what is being put out there.

Let me explain, I am centrist and support most of Starmers policies. Most of GN is very critical of those policies, determined to cling on to everything they have today whether they need it or not. There is 25% of the working population not working, that has got to change, the tax burden on those that are working is just too high.
He is not going to succeed in improving the economy unless he cuts down on what is given to those who don’t need it and don’t contribute to the economy.

*Just wanted to drop by with a quick update on how things are going in the US with Elon.

He derailed the US spending bill today. This will shut down our federal government until at least January. Essential workers will be forced to work without pay for however long Trump and Elon want to do this. The rest will be furloughed. At Christmas.

Hopefully the Republicans in Congress disobey Trump, but Elon has already warned them that if they pass the bill, he will use his Super PAC to primary them out.

He is literally threatening elected members of Congress if they don't do his bidding. They are beholden to HIM, not the people who elected them.

This man should scare everyone*

imaround thank you so much for this. Please keep posting to inform us about the reality of Elon Musk. Only those of you who are actually experiencing his influence can truly understand how dangerous he is.

There are people here in the UK who, for some reason, appear to have Musk on a pedestal, as if he’s some sort of cheeky imp who will tell the big nasty, boring grown ups where to go … and we should all cheer him on. Look at the title of this thread!

I just don’t get it, and it does frighten me!

Of course, unlike you, they don’t know the reality, so your voice is important. Please keep us informed🙏

David49 job opportunities are slowing down because of the Chancellor’s policies - employer ‘s national insurance now at 15 percent. More redundancies and failing companies too. How many of the 25 per cent unemployed are waiting NHS treatment? Not the right policies for economic growth I would think.

I am centrist and am critical of some of Starmers policies and support others.
In terms of right wing and left wing media, Harris had the entire population of Hollywood behind her, fat lot of good it did her. The media as we know it is losing its influence at lightening speed, it's I think one of the reasons Harris lost, they'd missed what was happening.