Southport Murders, latest

This is speculation

Is it possible that he is such a danger to the staff and other prisoners that he needs to be held in a high security hospital, where dealing with very dangerous prisoners is what they are there for, and ensures that he cannot harm staff etc.

I think this is where he should be, for the reasons that Whitewavemark2 states.

I, too, think that this person is better placed in an establishment such as Broadmoor.

I agree that his transfer to Broadmoor would be better as the staff have more experience with this sort of offender. I don't think it's the cushier option for him. We used to live near Broadmoor and it's very secure.

Broadmoor is the best place for him. His extremely, extremely disturbed personality is a danger in our overcrowded prisons, where, and this is a key point, they haven't the capacity to treat and contain in a prison population someone so mentally ill.

Treatment for Mental Health problems in prisons is pretty appalling for those who are suicidal and troubled, ie staff, ability to see, diagnose, and treat keep in best conditions for those who can actually get better:
they cannot possibly deal with someone like this as well, who could easily first cause havoc and is almost certainly to be a target

It is not an easy option.

I'd lock him in his cell and throw away the key and let him rot if I had my way.

Think what you are asking of the prison officers, Sunshinegirls.
Its de facto the death penalty inflicted by the men and women of the prison service.
You cannot ask this of them, if you live in a decent society.

I'm sure there are many people who share my views. I'm in favour of the death penalty especially for this sort of crime against innocent little girls.

No death penalty, not even for him. Lifelong incarceration instead.

We are outsourcing the death penalty, as we have seen with huntley, etc.

I read today that he is a danger to the prison officer's as he's thrown boiling water at one of them and attacked another. From a kettle in his cell for making tea/coffee They haven't enough staff to monitor him. Hence the move to Broadmoor with 24/7 guarding of him. Costing nearly 3 times as much. But worth it to keep others safe.

Plevey08

I read today that he is a danger to the prison officer's as he's thrown boiling water at one of them and attacked another. From a kettle in his cell for making tea/coffee They haven't enough staff to monitor him. Hence the move to Broadmoor with 24/7 guarding of him. Costing nearly 3 times as much. But worth it to keep others safe.

Prison staff cannot be put at risk like that of serious injury - or worse. Their job is difficult enough without being attacked for doing it.

If they, and other prisoners, are safer with him in Broadmoor, then that's where he should be.

He must have a mental health problem of some kind - his behaviour is deranged.

It's astonishing that he had access to a kettle for boiling water in his cell in Belmarsh Prison which is one of the most secure Category A prisons in the country and has continued with his violence in there.

Perhaps Broadmoor is the best place for him but the prison part is only Category B.

Years ago we were house hunting in a village near there and were warned about the air-raid type sirens that would go off if a patient or prisoner escaped. The schools etc would go into lockdown and it was a warning to get indoors and lock up.

He is so manipulative and dangerous that I wonder where is the best place for him?

Oh definitely Dickens, I was just stating what I had tread. Broadmoor is much more suitable for him. No guard or other prisoner should be a victim of his violence. It also stated that he would have further psychiatric assessments with the intention of returning him to Belmarsh. I'm thinking medication/sedation but can a prisoner refuse medication.?.

He will be in a is single cell and every item in it will be ‘safe’ ie cannot cause harm. The staff will be experienced in dealing with people like him.
But the most likely outcome is that he could be heavily sedated and if he will not take tablets then by injection. Also serious anti psychotics will be thought through.

Yes, the staff at Broadmoor will be used to dealing with prisoners like him.

Oh right I was wondering about that Wyllow.

And yes Jennyren, I was surprised he had access to a kettle or anything he could use as a weapon. I find it astonishing that after numerous psychiatric assessments, which he would have had prior to his trial and previously beginning with the intent to use a knife at his own school, referrals to terrorist rehab etc. Why have these assessments failed to identify his true ongoing risk. Because if they had worked he would have been put in Broadmoor at the start of his sentence. Not to mention all the missed opportunities in the past. Are psychiatrists worth their salt?

He should be kept in prison in the toughened glass subterranean cell that multiple murderer Robert Maudsley was kept in for 40 years. Hospital is too good and too expensive for him.

If he is psychiatrically ill , he needs caring for as all mentally ill patients do. It would appear Broadmoor is the best place to keep him and others safe.

Not bothered about keeping him safe but Broadmoor is for prisoners like him.
A normal prison isn’t suitable as he’s a danger to all in it.
Allowing prisoners access to boiling water is madness in any case.

Bring back capital punishment is what I think for people that attack minors & the elderly- bugger it- all Ages if they are definitely guilty!

Timothy Evans

Only if they are 100% guilty.
Also they didn’t have DNA back in the day.

Perhaps the reason he was allowed to do a video appearance was that he was likely to be violent in court?

I thought Broadmoor was for the criminally insane. He is just evil and, I believe, has played the system.

I mentioned Robert Maudsley who was in prison for over 40 years in an underground cell with a toughened glass so he could be observed at all times. He was allowed just an hour out of it in 24 hours. 4 - 6 guards accompanied him when he left it. They “managed” him for all those years so pretty sure they could manage this other disgusting person.