Reform. 140,748 members and counting. The Tories are well and truly in trouble!

Shinamae

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Wow! Reform UK membership stands at 160,707 this morning!
Happy start to the New Year. 😁

Conservatives and labour should be quivering and bivering….😁

Why Labour? A fight for the far/extreme right will mean they can get on with running the country; something most of us will be pleased to see a government doing for once.

It definitely beats the Politics Island or Priministers Got Talent shows we've had for the last umpteen years.

Why would anybody want to crow about the apparent success of a political party (?) or business whose main thrust is about xenophobia?

What do the 16,000+ Reformites get for their £25? At least the Conservatives got the chance to help to chose a couple of PMs. Not saying I applaud their decisions, but does the Reform Limited Company allow its supporters any sort of say in its 'policies'?

Sorry 160,000+

A wee New Year question, to get our brains in gear.
160,000 out of 60 billion, and 70,000 out of 6 billion. Which is the greater percentage?

Labour are worried about reform, it was a discussion point in branch and CLP meetings before Christmas. Certainly in my area lots of seats were second place reform.

MaizieD

petra

I don’t think I’m alone in getting a little fed up with the assumption that the US system is the only alternative.
This is a good piece on the French system.

This question is only meant light hearted.
If, just if😂 Reform were to win an election and bring in the French system ( or any system that’s better) would all his transgressions be forgiven?
www.spectator.co.uk/article/french-healthcare-shows-theres-another-way-for-the-nhs/

I'm getting a bit fed up with the assumption that 'insurance' is a magic bullet that will instantly improve our NHS.

It baffles me. We already pay insurance through taxes and National Insurance. How does money paid through a private insurance company produce better results?

It produces quicker results. Big Companies offer private health insurance to get it's workers through quickly.

Boz

It produces quicker results. Big Companies offer private health insurance to get it's workers through quickly.

Why is that? It's queue jumping, pure and simple.

Yes, logic, if it were an even playing field, delays would also be equal.

growstuff

Boz

It produces quicker results. Big Companies offer private health insurance to get it's workers through quickly.

Why is that? It's queue jumping, pure and simple.

A Company needs to know where it is. You don't want your workers called to hospital as and when. you need firm dates which can be got when going private.

Boz

growstuff

Boz

It produces quicker results. Big Companies offer private health insurance to get it's workers through quickly.

Why is that? It's queue jumping, pure and simple.

A Company needs to know where it is. You don't want your workers called to hospital as and when. you need firm dates which can be got when going private.

It's still queue jumping.

growstuff

Boz

It produces quicker results. Big Companies offer private health insurance to get it's workers through quickly.

Why is that? It's queue jumping, pure and simple.

Big Companies offer private health insurance to get it's workers through quickly.

Yes, but will be of little benefit to those who are already retired though?

Private health insurance 'works' best surely for those who are comparatively young, fairly affluent and nominally healthy?

If you're not in that category, I'd imagine it's a bit of a minefield both financially and emotionally.

Some big Companies will continue with PH cover for its retired staff with some Nursing Home cover also.

Boz

growstuff

Boz

It produces quicker results. Big Companies offer private health insurance to get it's workers through quickly.

Why is that? It's queue jumping, pure and simple.

A Company needs to know where it is. You don't want your workers called to hospital as and when. you need firm dates which can be got when going private.

I still don't understand the connection of the 'insurance' model with 'improving' the NHS. How does a bit of paid for queue jumping improve the NHS?

Put it another way, if we all paid a bit of health insurance how would it make the NHS any better?

Maybe better, robust, joined up IT? This fragmented nonsense we have currently where Trusts don't ‘talk’ (share info) with one another is SO frustrating.

MaizieD

Put it another way, if we all paid a bit of health insurance how would it make the NHS any better?

No idea.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Maybe better, robust, joined up IT? This fragmented nonsense we have currently where Trusts don't ‘talk’ (share info) with one another is SO frustrating.

But that doesn't need a change to an insurance model. It needs better internal systems.

growstuff

MaizieD

Put it another way, if we all paid a bit of health insurance how would it make the NHS any better?

No idea.

But so many posters seem to think that that's what it would take. If only we paid some insurance like the French do, then the NHS would be wonderful... 🙄

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Maybe better, robust, joined up IT? This fragmented nonsense we have currently where Trusts don't ‘talk’ (share info) with one another is SO frustrating.

If the tories hadn't spent the last decade and a half buggering about with the organisation of the NHS and keeping it short of funding it might be in a better state. It might have been able to afford to spend money on up to date integrated IT systems for a start...

So what magic wand is Reform going to wave to put it all right?

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Maybe better, robust, joined up IT? This fragmented nonsense we have currently where Trusts don't ‘talk’ (share info) with one another is SO frustrating.

joined up IT
I can assure you that a program is being tested as of now. My daughter is testing it.
She has nothing to do with how it will work only that the program she was given to test will work.
I only hope that she gets more co-operation than she does from the home office.

A two tier health system on its way, perhaps ? There is a two tier precedence.

petra

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Maybe better, robust, joined up IT? This fragmented nonsense we have currently where Trusts don't ‘talk’ (share info) with one another is SO frustrating.

joined up IT
I can assure you that a program is being tested as of now. My daughter is testing it.
She has nothing to do with how it will work only that the program she was given to test will work.
I only hope that she gets more co-operation than she does from the home office.

Is this what she is testing out, petra?

www.england.nhs.uk/digitaltechnology/nhs-federated-data-platform/#:~:text=Contact%20us-,NHS%20Federated%20Data%20Platform,costs%2C%20and%20improve%20patient%20outcomes.

(thank you for DD)

nanna8

A two tier health system on its way, perhaps ? There is a two tier precedence.

I think there is one already.
We had occasion to visit a private hospital the other week and was astonished to see how busy it was.

There is a new NHS hospital not far away where private procedures are also carried out.