Cheer up, Bridget, your lucky day is nigh!

Good grief!

What archaic schools some of you must have gone to.

Thank you

Expectations weresolow.
100% this in education, and it makes me cross.

The difference is, teachers in the independent sector usually have more time and resources to create a really positive learning environment with attention being given to every pupil. Addressing individual needs is key, and for that you need time in small classes. You give the pupils the best and you expect only their best in return.

I attended a London Comprehensive in the 1970s. There was an entry of 200+ pupils a year. By the 6th form there were 4 girls and 7 boys left. Like MaizieD, it was poor, actually worse than that, dire. Not one teacher knew how to encourage a love of learning, we were all just tediously marking time.

Allira

Good grief!

What archaic schools some of you must have gone to.

Maybe, but that's what happens when things aren't fair.

escaped

^Expectations weresolow.^
100% this in education, and it makes me cross.

The difference is, teachers in the independent sector usually have more time and resources to create a really positive learning environment with attention being given to every pupil. Addressing individual needs is key, and for that you need time in small classes. You give the pupils the best and you expect only their best in return.

I attended a London Comprehensive in the 1970s. There was an entry of 200+ pupils a year. By the 6th form there were 4 girls and 7 boys left. Like MaizieD, it was poor, actually worse than that, dire. Not one teacher knew how to encourage a love of learning, we were all just tediously marking time.

Yes, 70s education was like that.

Do we want that for everyone, to cream off those who can afford better, or to raise standards for the next generations?

I don't have to think for long to know my opinion.

Doodledog I have no idea what grammar schools you are referring to, but I can assure you that at mine in London we were taught that we could be anything we wanted to be. The emphasis on women in science, politics, medicine etc.

Many girls went on to University’s.

Where were the parent in the examples you have given?

Why did they not say something about the education of their daughter’s?

“Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy.”
Winston Churchill

Winston Churchill losing to Clement Attlee was as bitter as Boris Johnson when he was ousted. C’est La vie.

I am very much pro choice

If it’s affordable and you want to send your child/grandchild to private school then it should be available.

The same for private healthcare.

If you can afford a high end car, cleaner gardener, your own home (whatever size) even a pony why not?

To start banning things due to political ideology is dangerous, as long as something is legal and legitimately paid for and does no harm then it should be permissible.

GrannyGravy13

Doodledog I have no idea what grammar schools you are referring to, but I can assure you that at mine in London we were taught that we could be anything we wanted to be. The emphasis on women in science, politics, medicine etc.

Many girls went on to University’s.

Where were the parent in the examples you have given?

Why did they not say something about the education of their daughter’s?

Even my rubbish comprehensive taught us about apostrophes . No idea about the parents, really. Mine taught me about plurals though.

And to have a sense of humour, before anyone jumps down my throat.

Well said FGT, I wonder why so many states that start off socialist end up as dictatorships.

Doodledog if pulling me up on my use of apostrophes and plurals makes you happy, crack on…

If only we were all perfect all of the time 🤷‍♀️

FriedGreenTomatoes2

“Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy.”
^Winston Churchill^

Well said that man 👏👏👏

And to have a sense of humour, before anyone jumps down my throat.

Ideas on what constitutes a sense of humour are variable.
Some might think that picking up other posters on their grammar is not that funny.

Of course private education is a luxury - it’s not an essential since free state education is available - it might not be as good for your child in your opinion but it is available, plenty of people don’t have a choice. You might as well say transport is essential but I need a fast car so I should get it cheaper.

vegansrock unfortunately not every headteacher was up to the job of providing a basic education for every child. You can take a child to water but you can’t make them drink was the motto of my children’s headteacher a very long time ago. So no idea at all about visual issues and reading but just a trite comment. Each child is entitled to the best learning environment whether in private or state schools. End of.

Friends of mine who went to a grammar, and my/their children and their friends who went to a girls’ grammar were taught that they should do something they’re good at.
Some work for British Aerospace, some are nurses and doctors, some are lawyers (my niece for example) some are teachers, some university lecturers, some social workers, some (one of my granddaughters) are Educational psychologists, some technical staff.
Some on the other hand work in retail, Some (shock horror) are SAHM doing a good job with the next generation.
It’s what you do with your education that matters, whether you’re a SAHM or doing paid work, not whether you went to a GS or not.

Mollygo I agree, it’s called choice 👏👏👏

The politics of envy is that of the “ I never had the chance so no one else is going to have it . “ Seems simple enough. It’s human nature - unfortunately. Virtue signalling - “ We’re going to make sure that everyone has the same chances…aren’t we magnanimous- we’re in your side. “ And that goes for private medicine too . “ Look at me … I wouldn’t pay for private medicine for MY family . Aren’t I the working class hero.” Sad really when you think about what they ARE willing to accept .

Allira

^And to have a sense of humour, before anyone jumps down my throat.^

Ideas on what constitutes a sense of humour are variable.
Some might think that picking up other posters on their grammar is not that funny.

True.

‘Some’ may also think that deliberately misunderstanding the point of a post about the benefits of different types of education is being obtuse, too, and ‘not that funny’ either. San Fairy Ann, etc.

If you choose to describe my opinion on this matter virtue signalling sobeit. For what it’s worth, my partner sent his son to private school and says that he thinks that there is no reason why private schools shouldn’t pay VAT when everybody else does.

Of course there isn't.
The politics of equality, I'd call it.

I remember a few months ago, Bridget Phillipson, showing herself as the Master of The Politics of envy with a ridiculously divisive comment. It was something like, Our state schools need teachers more than private schools need embossed stationery. I really hope she comes up with some more educated lines in future as well as some fast solutions because this continuing rhetoric will become very tiresome.

I'm happy to listen to the reasoned opposing comments on this thread, (thank you for those), I'm willing to accept that this change on school fees was going to come eventually, and I might even change my mind on certain issues, but if BP is still banging on in the same silly manner in 3 or 4 months' time, then once again we'll be no further forward.

MissAdventure

Of course there isn't.
The politics of equality, I'd call it.

Well said, MissA.

I am far more able to recognise that in others than the so-called ‘politics of envy’.

MissAdventure

Of course there isn't.
The politics of equality, I'd call it.

Yes.

As simple as that.

93% of us aren't sitting around indulging in the politics of envy because a small number can afford to go to private schools

- it is what it is, but its reasonable to charge VAT on goods and services to help fund that 93% who after all like everyone need as good as education as can be given in these hard times, as all our children are the future of the country and its well-being.