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Sir Sadiq Khan! For services to what, exactly?

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Sarnia Tue 31-Dec-24 07:16:50

The New Year's Honour's List has Sadiq Khan being given a knighthood. I am sure that will sit well with the families of children killed as a result of London knife crime, spiralling on his watch.
Stephen Fry and Gareth Southgate also receive knighthoods.
There are some awards for the Post Office campaigners too and these are the people I like to see recognised although I wouldn't be upset to see the Honour's Lists being abolished altogether.

Maremia Wed 01-Jan-25 15:16:59

Voted in 3 times by the people of London. Must be doing something right.

Rosie51 Wed 01-Jan-25 15:20:09

GrannyGravy13

HousePlantQueen

Every year there is controversy over the honours list, every year there is the predictable articles from certain newspapers when someone who doesn't fit their model gets honoured. I was happy to see Gareth Southgate and Stephen Fry get their awards, and do think that Sadiq Khan deserves his; he does a great deal for London, some of it controversial of course, but unless we want London to be a grid locked, stinking, fume clogged city, some of his measures are necessary.

We send a minimum of two loaded vans into London five days a week, 50 weeks a year.

I can assure you that anywhere within the M25 (all of which now covered by ULEZ) is invariably grid locked . Central London roads are still stationary most of the day, and still extremely fume clogged.

Sir Khan hasn’t banned polluting vehicles, just put the charges up for them.

Sir Khan hasn’t banned polluting vehicles, just put the charges up for them. exactly! I also said this upthread. You can pollute and clog up the roads as long as you can afford to pay the ULEZ and congestion zone charges. If he (or any politician) truly wanted to abolish the pollution levels they would have banned non compliant vehicles from passing through.
Also interesting is that vehicles using one of the soon to be 3 east London and beyond river crossings will have to pay to do so, currently only the Dartford crossing is chargeable. Anyone using one of the many bridges west of the Blackwall Tunnel gets to cross free of charge.

Rosie51 Wed 01-Jan-25 15:24:11

Maremia

Voted in 3 times by the people of London. Must be doing something right.

The Conservatives were voted into power by the people of the UK for a span of 14 years so Must be doing something right. You agree they must have been doing something right?

Anniebach Wed 01-Jan-25 15:49:26

Not did something right, Corbyn or Conservatives, !

vegansrock Wed 01-Jan-25 15:54:12

But the polluting / non compliant vehicles have gone down- most people don’t want to pay more than they have to. Perhaps there will have to be more stringent measures to cut the total number of vehicles on the road and no doubt the Daily Mail will be up in arms about that as a war on motorists or some such

Rosie51 Wed 01-Jan-25 15:56:04

Anniebach I wasn't saying I thought the Conservatives were doing something right just that I assume Maremia's logic must mean she thinks they were. I think they did a great deal that was wrong.

Anniebach Wed 01-Jan-25 16:06:03

Sorry Rosie , yes they did much that was wrong,

Rosie51 Wed 01-Jan-25 16:37:05

vegansrock

But the polluting / non compliant vehicles have gone down- most people don’t want to pay more than they have to. Perhaps there will have to be more stringent measures to cut the total number of vehicles on the road and no doubt the Daily Mail will be up in arms about that as a war on motorists or some such

Doesn't alter the fact that if you can afford it Khan, amongst others, is currently perfectly happy for you to pollute or add to congestion. Money buys privilege every time, and Khan is no different. The more stringent measures if any will probably be more of the same, increase the charge if you want to pollute or add to congestion. Perhaps he'd like to address the inequality of public transport provision between North London and some parts of South London where it's pretty dire. 250 tube stations north of the river 33 south of the river for a start.

Kalm Wed 01-Jan-25 17:00:03

Sadiq khan is one of those politicians who says everything to everyone and pleases no one. On Gaza he has made speeches that a mainly anti Zionist pro peace audience will want to hear. But he hasn't attended any of the peace marches.
He will talk nicely to muslims about Eid, but will happily lead the LGBT++xyz so called pride demonstrations. An event where hardly any muslims (or other religions) participate, but then many straight people don't either.
To the Jewish communities he says what they (rightly) want to hear. To the green lobby it's all about air quality, yet the infrastructure for cheap solar, charging stations doesn't exist. air qual is only 50.
Most of the communities described understand the cynicism and possibly go along with voting for him. Only 17% voted for him, 40% t/out.
Most of the ethnic and centre left politicians change their views once in power. Lamy Starmer et al are testament to that e.g. on taxes, subtleties around raising funds etc.

Pinch nose time. This is where the right-winged politicians globally have not changed there views. Hence the success of populism Brexit, Trump, Le pen and Orban. The right prey on perceived issues. But not only the that establishment has failed many people and Sadiq is very pro-establishment hence the gong.

prestbury Wed 01-Jan-25 17:36:13

vegansrock

But the polluting / non compliant vehicles have gone down- most people don’t want to pay more than they have to. Perhaps there will have to be more stringent measures to cut the total number of vehicles on the road and no doubt the Daily Mail will be up in arms about that as a war on motorists or some such

Maybe our cities should follow the French example in all their major cities where all vehicles entering the city zones have to have a emmisions sticker (Crit'Air) on their windscreens. The stickers are marked from 1 to 5 dependant on the emmissions and most of the cities have banned group 4 and 5 stickered vehicles from entry. We ensured we had the sticker when we last went to France. Very heavy fine if you do not have one or enter the zones without the correct one. Cost is around 5 Euros and lasts for the lifetime of the vehicle and can be bought before leaving the UK.

theworriedwell Wed 01-Jan-25 19:18:36

I wonder if pollution is monitored? I think it must be but I don't know where to find figures. Would be interesting to actually see figures about if pollution has decreased.

Casdon Wed 01-Jan-25 19:22:15

theworriedwell

I wonder if pollution is monitored? I think it must be but I don't know where to find figures. Would be interesting to actually see figures about if pollution has decreased.

It is being monitored. Here’s a commentary from LSE.
www.lse.ac.uk/granthaminstitute/news/the-truth-about-londons-ultra-low-emission-zone/

theworriedwell Wed 01-Jan-25 19:41:51

Thanks Casdon I'll have a read

Oreo Wed 01-Jan-25 23:03:51

Rosie51

Maremia

Voted in 3 times by the people of London. Must be doing something right.

The Conservatives were voted into power by the people of the UK for a span of 14 years so Must be doing something right. You agree they must have been doing something right?

Hmmm yeah, when you think about it that isn’t the best argument is it? 😄
It’s a purely political appointment in Khan’s case, and he was only voted in as the choices weren’t all that great.

Oreo Wed 01-Jan-25 23:04:26

Wasn’t Boris voted in twice for Mayor?

Rosie51 Thu 02-Jan-25 00:36:45

Oreo

Wasn’t Boris voted in twice for Mayor?

Yes he was, so according to Maremia he also Must be doing something right or in Boris's case was doing something right I wonder if Maremia would like to adjust their judgement given the other examples of parties/people that got re-elected, or will there be silence or absence of any follow up post?

Kalm Thu 02-Jan-25 00:43:48

Islamophobia and being of Pakistani origin is also an excuse to criticise Sadiq Khan

Rosie51 Thu 02-Jan-25 01:00:40

Kalm

Islamophobia and being of Pakistani origin is also an excuse to criticise Sadiq Khan

You truly believe that Sadiq Khan should be immune from any criticism purely because of his religion and ethnic ancestry? You make anti-semitic posts that have been deleted, maybe you're not the best advocate for him?

Grandma70s Thu 02-Jan-25 01:12:38

The brother of a friend of mine got an OBE a few years ago for services to disabled housing. A lot of the honours are for people like him, quietly improving people’s lives. Not household names.

Do you remember when people returned their honours because the Beatles were awarded the MBE? I wonder what they made of Paul McCartney’s knighthood. But it was probably for charitable work, not for his somewhat doubtful contribution to music.

vegansrock Thu 02-Jan-25 05:19:33

Johnson spent lots of money on his mistress, water canons and a garden bridge. He also shut lots of police and fire stations despite promising not to. People have short memories.

vegansrock Thu 02-Jan-25 05:20:45

Johnson also introduced the congestion charge.

TheatreLover Thu 02-Jan-25 05:48:59

Johnson also introduced the congestion charge - It was Ken Livingstone who introduced the congestion charge in London in 2003?

Jeanathome Thu 02-Jan-25 08:37:14

I await clarity on the " palestian lot" and some sort of hand out for them and also London being " over run".

I'm not sure who the former are, what they have received and who or what is all over London.

Kalm Thu 02-Jan-25 11:39:49

Anti semitic ? Have you misread something ? Evidence ? Or is it new year hangover
Where does it say being against genocide is anti semitic and in support of democratic votes at the UNSC. Just to remind you UNSC votes are valid, its the unconstitutional and undemocratic veto the USA uses.
Irony is that (in fact probably the majority) genuine Jewish people are against genocide. Look at the Jewish students and US organisations. Read history starting from the Balfour declaration.

Kalm Thu 02-Jan-25 12:02:44

Jeanathome

I await clarity on the " palestian lot" and some sort of hand out for them and also London being " over run".

I'm not sure who the former are, what they have received and who or what is all over London.

Absolutely correct !