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alongside school trips to visit high-art forms, children should be taught about other cultural activities whether it be grime and rap music

At the risk of sounding elitist - what a load of rap.

Children of all backgrounds will know about rap music, Tik Tok and other such low-brow "culture" because they've all got phones.

Not so many children will have access to theatres, museums, galleries and all should be given the opportunity to experience these.

JaneJudge

I agree with David

I'm not sure how horticulture, agriculture courses would work without Latin.There must be plenty of other subjects which require some grasp of Latin but those came to mind first

You used to need Latin if you were going to medical school but I'm not sure if that is the case now.

Allira

^alongside school trips to visit high-art forms, children should be taught about other cultural activities whether it be grime and rap music^

At the risk of sounding elitist - what a load of rap.

Children of all backgrounds will know about rap music, Tik Tok and other such low-brow "culture" because they've all got phones.

Not so many children will have access to theatres, museums, galleries and all should be given the opportunity to experience these.

The full quote was as follows:

"Prof Major said that alongside school trips to visit “high-art forms”, children should be taught about “other cultural activities whether it be grime and rap music or brass bands and community choirs”

Allira
alongside school trips to visit high-art forms, children should be taught about other cultural activities whether it be grime and rap music

At the risk of sounding elitist - what a load of rap. 👏👏

But let’s get this straight. Before they can experience all these other cultural activities, they need to be toilet trained and that now appears to be a school job.

Oops, my phone cut off the brass bands and community choir bit!

Good point about childrens' phones providing all these genres Allira. Personally I wouldn't place live theatre and museum artefacts in the same category as grime and rap etc. but what do I know?

The full quote was as follows:

"Prof Major said that alongside school trips to visit “high-art forms”, children should be taught about “other cultural activities whether it be grime and rap music or brass bands and community choirs”

I note the alongside in the full quote.

I do think it's a bit strange that he's advising the teaching of youth culture to young people. they could probably teach him a thing or two... Or is rap and grime now the province of older people?

I think that most areas where brass bands were an established part of their culture still have their brass bands and still have young people joining them... We certainly do in my part of the NE.

I think that the prof. might be a bit out of touch...

Well, I am culturally bereft as I don't know what grime is.
Apart from dirt of course, and it reminds me of Tom, the child in the Water Babies who was a grimy chimney sweep.

JaneJudge

I agree with David

I'm not sure how horticulture, agriculture courses would work without Latin.There must be plenty of other subjects which require some grasp of Latin but those came to mind first

I think the amount of Latin needed for horticulture is minimal and quite easy to learn if it is in regular use. It's mainly plant names and genus's

When I was at catering college we had to learn menu French and kitchen French. Most of the students hadn't learned French in school but they picked up what they needed.

We were supposed to learn Latin at school, but it was poorly taught and had no relevance to most of us. I suspect it's reasonable simple to learn if you need it for a career, say in ancient and mediaeval history...

I do like a brass band and there are several local ones with young members.

Yes, the alongside is a bit strange, because either that would that nean doubling the time spent OUT of the classroom on visits then? Or halving the time going to high-brow places? So in effect, cutting back on the latter!

I guess grime, rap and brass bands could be invited into a school, but the Rosetta Stone could hardly be transported to a setting, alongside all the other artefacts! They're not comparable.

I've sort of heard of grime, but I lost the plot when young DD2 used to go on about garage, so I can't help anyone there.

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Stormy and DizzieRascal? 🎶 🎵

Lee Elliot Major is Britain’s first Professor of Social Mobility, based at the University of Exeter. He was previously Chief Executive of the Sutton Trust, the UK’s leading social mobility foundation.

His work is dedicated to improving the lives of children and young people from under-resourced or poorer backgrounds. He works closely with school and university leaders, global employers and Governments in the UK and across the world to develop practical ways of improving educational and life prospects.

Well, Professor Major, do you not think that introducing such subjects as grime and rap to children's cultural education is
rather patronising and akin to teaching Granny to suck eggs?

I'm quite sure my teenage DGC could give me a cultural lesson on grime, although they were quite startled to hear me making up my own rap 'song' recently 😁

I just think the general idea is to show students that lots of different kinds of arts activities are valid as each other and there is something for everyone.

It belongs to whole communities. Not just that, but that there are connections between different art forms. What matters most is that pupils feel engaged, its something for them?

How schools manage that is up to them whether its in school via media representations or visits out.

escaped

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Stormy and DizzieRascal? 🎶 🎵

Stormzy and Dizzee Rascal.
Please keep up at the back!

When I was at catering college we had to learn menu French and kitchen French. Most of the students hadn't learned French in school but they picked up what they needed.
I bet Gordon Ramsay hadn't learned French at school either, but he seems to have got by.
(And his pardon my French language!)

😵 💫 🥴 🌀 dizzy!

Did you know (useless piece of information coming up) that Keir Starmer did Music A Level? Perhaps he can tell everyone what grime is, and it's relevance.
I think Fat Boy Slim was one of his peers.

That's quite interesting 🙂

Grime seems to involve an inability to spell.

Grime albums:
Boy in da Corner, Treddin' on Thin Ice, Home Sweet Home, and Against All Oddz

Cool, Bruv, great rôle models then ......

I am the one
Real talk, no need for complication
I was educated without education
Put into the deep end with no preparation
Something's wrong with my mind, it needs an investigation
I'm the description of dedication
Put my whole into grime on every occasion
And so on.

MaizieD

JaneJudge

I agree with David

I'm not sure how horticulture, agriculture courses would work without Latin.There must be plenty of other subjects which require some grasp of Latin but those came to mind first

I think the amount of Latin needed for horticulture is minimal and quite easy to learn if it is in regular use. It's mainly plant names and genus's

When I was at catering college we had to learn menu French and kitchen French. Most of the students hadn't learned French in school but they picked up what they needed.

We were supposed to learn Latin at school, but it was poorly taught and had no relevance to most of us. I suspect it's reasonable simple to learn if you need it for a career, say in ancient and mediaeval history...

Didn’t Boris Johnson want every school child to learn Latin as he thought it was important that they did so?

One day one of them will tell a truth and no-one will believe them. I don't believe a word that comes out of their mouths. They are all full of broken promises.

I did Latin at school. It’s useful in a vague sort of way. Better than quadratic equations, but not as useful as the foreign languages I learned both in and outside formal education.

There are sciences where a knowledge of Latin is important so saying it should be ignored is not realistic, that does not mean that it should be taught to all children, there are a lot more other important topics that most children should learn.