Oh my! Farage isn’t up to it - according to Musk😄😄

A contributor to an LBC Phone-in suggested that maybe Elon Musk is somewhere on the autism spectrum which may go some way to explaining his erratic impulsiveness and sudden 'toddler tantrum' U-turns such as his attempt to slap down Nigel Farage.
I think he is peevish spoilt brat trying (and badly failing) to be like the grown-ups.

mae13

A contributor to an LBC Phone-in suggested that maybe Elon Musk is somewhere on the autism spectrum which may go some way to explaining his erratic impulsiveness and sudden 'toddler tantrum' U-turns such as his attempt to slap down Nigel Farage.
I think he is peevish spoilt brat trying (and badly failing) to be like the grown-ups.

May be those with Caucasian south African heritage have got bad genes.

Kalm

mae13

A contributor to an LBC Phone-in suggested that maybe Elon Musk is somewhere on the autism spectrum which may go some way to explaining his erratic impulsiveness and sudden 'toddler tantrum' U-turns such as his attempt to slap down Nigel Farage.
I think he is peevish spoilt brat trying (and badly failing) to be like the grown-ups.

May be those with Caucasian south African heritage have got bad genes.

Seriously Kalms?! They have genes from the Netherlands, nothing wrong there.
I think you’re right mae13 as I’ve read that from various sources and it fits with his behavior.Add extreme wealth and power to that and you have a volatile mix.

Elon Musk has made no secret of the fact that he has Asperger’s in multiple interviews over many years.

GrannyGravy13

Elon Musk has made no secret of the fact that he has Asperger’s in multiple interviews over many years.

There's no reason why it should be a 'secret', is there?

I do wonder if that is an official diagnosis or a self diagnosis...

Musk says he is interested in buying Liverpool FC (although it is not for sale) because his Grandmother came from Liverpool.

Oreo

Kalm

mae13

A contributor to an LBC Phone-in suggested that maybe Elon Musk is somewhere on the autism spectrum which may go some way to explaining his erratic impulsiveness and sudden 'toddler tantrum' U-turns such as his attempt to slap down Nigel Farage.
I think he is peevish spoilt brat trying (and badly failing) to be like the grown-ups.

May be those with Caucasian south African heritage have got bad genes.

Seriously Kalms?! They have genes from the Netherlands, nothing wrong there.
I think you’re right mae13 as I’ve read that from various sources and it fits with his behavior.Add extreme wealth and power to that and you have a volatile mix.

A history lesson: the dutch were one of the most racist people who colonized south africa. The believed they were superior over the african natives who they deemed were backward.
The only difference between then and now is the false aura of "liberalism" with a smile and a coffee cake. Geert wilders - another Nazi apologist.
If musk hadn't owned X would we have had the Faraj riots ?
Starmer should ban X and facebook as they do nothing but enrage hatred. Scary times.

Kalm

Oreo

Kalm

mae13

A contributor to an LBC Phone-in suggested that maybe Elon Musk is somewhere on the autism spectrum which may go some way to explaining his erratic impulsiveness and sudden 'toddler tantrum' U-turns such as his attempt to slap down Nigel Farage.
I think he is peevish spoilt brat trying (and badly failing) to be like the grown-ups.

May be those with Caucasian south African heritage have got bad genes.

Seriously Kalms?! They have genes from the Netherlands, nothing wrong there.
I think you’re right mae13 as I’ve read that from various sources and it fits with his behavior.Add extreme wealth and power to that and you have a volatile mix.

A history lesson: the dutch were one of the most racist people who colonized south africa. The believed they were superior over the african natives who they deemed were backward.
The only difference between then and now is the false aura of "liberalism" with a smile and a coffee cake. Geert wilders - another Nazi apologist.
If musk hadn't owned X would we have had the Faraj riots ?
Starmer should ban X and facebook as they do nothing but enrage hatred. Scary times.

Starmer should ban X and facebook as they do nothing but enrage hatred. Scary times.

For better or worse (in this case, for worse), social media platforms are now a way of life.

They might, as in this instance, fan hatred, but they are also a medium for those with a grievance, for protest, for those seeking self-help for physical or medical health conditions; legal matters; and for 'interest' groups, for learning, in fact for all kinds of things.

Any government that attempts to ban these platforms wholesale would be regarded as a dictatorship, as indeed it would be - what else might they want to ban do you think?

The problem is not social media, the main problem is ignorance which leads to the spreading of lies and misinformation.

Before the internet, people used to voice their concerns by firing of letters to newspapers, national and local, and the editorial staff would presumably filter what they allowed and printed.

Those days are gone, the genie is out of the bottle and there is no way to put it back.

All we can do is counter lies with facts on an individual level and insist that these platforms do the same. They did it when I posted a lie, so it can be done.

I once posted something on Facebook about a high-profile individual (at the time) which was false. Facebook, either via their algorithms or moderation staff actually highlighted the fact that I'd posted something as fact that was not true.

... and that is what is needed.

mae13

A contributor to an LBC Phone-in suggested that maybe Elon Musk is somewhere on the autism spectrum which may go some way to explaining his erratic impulsiveness and sudden 'toddler tantrum' U-turns such as his attempt to slap down Nigel Farage.
I think he is peevish spoilt brat trying (and badly failing) to be like the grown-ups.

I think he is peevish spoilt brat trying (and badly failing) to be like the grown-ups.

I think that just about sums him up.

Dickens

Kalm

Oreo

Kalm

mae13

A contributor to an LBC Phone-in suggested that maybe Elon Musk is somewhere on the autism spectrum which may go some way to explaining his erratic impulsiveness and sudden 'toddler tantrum' U-turns such as his attempt to slap down Nigel Farage.
I think he is peevish spoilt brat trying (and badly failing) to be like the grown-ups.

May be those with Caucasian south African heritage have got bad genes.

Seriously Kalms?! They have genes from the Netherlands, nothing wrong there.
I think you’re right mae13 as I’ve read that from various sources and it fits with his behavior.Add extreme wealth and power to that and you have a volatile mix.

A history lesson: the dutch were one of the most racist people who colonized south africa. The believed they were superior over the african natives who they deemed were backward.
The only difference between then and now is the false aura of "liberalism" with a smile and a coffee cake. Geert wilders - another Nazi apologist.
If musk hadn't owned X would we have had the Faraj riots ?
Starmer should ban X and facebook as they do nothing but enrage hatred. Scary times.

Starmer should ban X and facebook as they do nothing but enrage hatred. Scary times.

For better or worse (in this case, for worse), social media platforms are now a way of life.

They might, as in this instance, fan hatred, but they are also a medium for those with a grievance, for protest, for those seeking self-help for physical or medical health conditions; legal matters; and for 'interest' groups, for learning, in fact for all kinds of things.

Any government that attempts to ban these platforms wholesale would be regarded as a dictatorship, as indeed it would be - what else might they want to ban do you think?

The problem is not social media, the main problem is ignorance which leads to the spreading of lies and misinformation.

Before the internet, people used to voice their concerns by firing of letters to newspapers, national and local, and the editorial staff would presumably filter what they allowed and printed.

Those days are gone, the genie is out of the bottle and there is no way to put it back.

All we can do is counter lies with facts on an individual level and insist that these platforms do the same. They did it when I posted a lie, so it can be done.

I once posted something on Facebook about a high-profile individual (at the time) which was false. Facebook, either via their algorithms or moderation staff actually highlighted the fact that I'd posted something as fact that was not true.

... and that is what is needed.

Agree specifically that SM should be used for education, genuine grievances, legitimate protest, education. Where opinion is based on facts that is acceptable.
In science there are genuine problems so differing opinion is justified. FB are rebasing in Texas and getting rid of fact checking. Because the fascistic tendency of the new govt does not allow it.
Brexit being a good example, where "incorrect" opinions were peddled as the truth.
In the old days writing to a newspaper was civil and polite, but still things could get misinterpreted, the Birmingham and Handsworth riots were an example of what can happen. My problem is that anyone however unqualified can post anything is a recipe for disaster. For example there is no evidence of a 2 tier policing system but the way SM (and Daily Mail and Express) platforms amplify the discussion that makes the uneducated think a copper has 2 sets of guidelines and 2 notebooks which is clearly not the case.

Thank you Kalms for the history lesson I didn’t need.The Dutch were no more racist than the rest of Europe actually and colonialism and all the rest of it.The UK, France, Belgium and Germany were no slouches when it came to taking over countries and deeming themselves superior.A lot of people in all those European countries probably still feel much the same.

Starmer shouldn’t ban anything, it’s not within his remit.

Also Kalms I dislike your use of ‘uneducated’ and the fact you say that ‘anyone however unqualified can post anything is a recipe for disaster.’To my mind there’s too much of the feeling superior and looking down from their dizzy heights by posters on forums and SM platforms as it is.There have also been posters who suggest that voters should have IQ tests.You either believe as I do that every man and woman has a vote who’s entitled to one and that they should also have an equal right to an opinion on SM unless they post something which is actually criminal, truly racist and so on.

Kalm

Dickens

Kalm

Oreo

Kalm

mae13

A contributor to an LBC Phone-in suggested that maybe Elon Musk is somewhere on the autism spectrum which may go some way to explaining his erratic impulsiveness and sudden 'toddler tantrum' U-turns such as his attempt to slap down Nigel Farage.
I think he is peevish spoilt brat trying (and badly failing) to be like the grown-ups.

May be those with Caucasian south African heritage have got bad genes.

Seriously Kalms?! They have genes from the Netherlands, nothing wrong there.
I think you’re right mae13 as I’ve read that from various sources and it fits with his behavior.Add extreme wealth and power to that and you have a volatile mix.

A history lesson: the dutch were one of the most racist people who colonized south africa. The believed they were superior over the african natives who they deemed were backward.
The only difference between then and now is the false aura of "liberalism" with a smile and a coffee cake. Geert wilders - another Nazi apologist.
If musk hadn't owned X would we have had the Faraj riots ?
Starmer should ban X and facebook as they do nothing but enrage hatred. Scary times.

Starmer should ban X and facebook as they do nothing but enrage hatred. Scary times.

For better or worse (in this case, for worse), social media platforms are now a way of life.

They might, as in this instance, fan hatred, but they are also a medium for those with a grievance, for protest, for those seeking self-help for physical or medical health conditions; legal matters; and for 'interest' groups, for learning, in fact for all kinds of things.

Any government that attempts to ban these platforms wholesale would be regarded as a dictatorship, as indeed it would be - what else might they want to ban do you think?

The problem is not social media, the main problem is ignorance which leads to the spreading of lies and misinformation.

Before the internet, people used to voice their concerns by firing of letters to newspapers, national and local, and the editorial staff would presumably filter what they allowed and printed.

Those days are gone, the genie is out of the bottle and there is no way to put it back.

All we can do is counter lies with facts on an individual level and insist that these platforms do the same. They did it when I posted a lie, so it can be done.

I once posted something on Facebook about a high-profile individual (at the time) which was false. Facebook, either via their algorithms or moderation staff actually highlighted the fact that I'd posted something as fact that was not true.

... and that is what is needed.

Agree specifically that SM should be used for education, genuine grievances, legitimate protest, education. Where opinion is based on facts that is acceptable.
In science there are genuine problems so differing opinion is justified. FB are rebasing in Texas and getting rid of fact checking. Because the fascistic tendency of the new govt does not allow it.
Brexit being a good example, where "incorrect" opinions were peddled as the truth.
In the old days writing to a newspaper was civil and polite, but still things could get misinterpreted, the Birmingham and Handsworth riots were an example of what can happen. My problem is that anyone however unqualified can post anything is a recipe for disaster. For example there is no evidence of a 2 tier policing system but the way SM (and Daily Mail and Express) platforms amplify the discussion that makes the uneducated think a copper has 2 sets of guidelines and 2 notebooks which is clearly not the case.

I understand what your sentiments.

The thinking 'middle-ground' has to hold.

We all I think have bias - and that includes me. I posted something on Facebook because it suited my argument. And it turned out not to be true. That was a salutary lesson for me. I now try to fact-check, and if I can't I look for an opposing opinion. I am trying to be a critical-thinker, but it's not easy because I'm just as susceptible to emotion and outrage as anyone else.

I think we can only counter extremism from either the Right or the Left, if moderate, temperate voices insist on being heard.

... PS I understand what your sentiments.

!!

I meant that I concur with your sentiments!

Dickens I couldn't agree more ..Which is why I agree with the approach of Keir Starmer at the moment..

Whatever the ins and outs of it how dare Musk try and interfere with a political party with elected MPs. He wants a man in prison for contempt of court to become leader of a political party. What next, Tommy Robinson to lead the Labour Party or Conservative Party or Lib/Dem because Musk says so?

Lydie45

Whatever the ins and outs of it how dare Musk try and interfere with a political party with elected MPs. He wants a man in prison for contempt of court to become leader of a political party. What next, Tommy Robinson to lead the Labour Party or Conservative Party or Lib/Dem because Musk says so?

Elon Musk's father, Errol, believes there's a good chance Tommy Robinson may one day be our Prime Minister.

Make of that what you will.

Dickens, sadly Facebook, Meta and all are doing away with fact checking.

Talking about fact checking, why is Musk so focussed on just about everywhere except South Africa?

mae13

A contributor to an LBC Phone-in suggested that maybe Elon Musk is somewhere on the autism spectrum which may go some way to explaining his erratic impulsiveness and sudden 'toddler tantrum' U-turns such as his attempt to slap down Nigel Farage.
I think he is peevish spoilt brat trying (and badly failing) to be like the grown-ups.

He didn’t have to suggest it. Elon Musk is on record as telling the media he has Aspergers.

Oreo

Also Kalms I dislike your use of ‘uneducated’ and the fact you say that ‘anyone however unqualified can post anything is a recipe for disaster.’To my mind there’s too much of the feeling superior and looking down from their dizzy heights by posters on forums and SM platforms as it is.There have also been posters who suggest that voters should have IQ tests.You either believe as I do that every man and woman has a vote who’s entitled to one and that they should also have an equal right to an opinion on SM unless they post something which is actually criminal, truly racist and so on.

👏👏👏👏👏

Cossy

Oreo

Also Kalms I dislike your use of ‘uneducated’ and the fact you say that ‘anyone however unqualified can post anything is a recipe for disaster.’To my mind there’s too much of the feeling superior and looking down from their dizzy heights by posters on forums and SM platforms as it is.There have also been posters who suggest that voters should have IQ tests.You either believe as I do that every man and woman has a vote who’s entitled to one and that they should also have an equal right to an opinion on SM unless they post something which is actually criminal, truly racist and so on.

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An equal right to an opinion can only exist when the evidence being presented is based on fact. The legal process uses two norms "beyond reasonable doubt" and "on the basis of probability or likelihood as presented". The 12 good men and women of a crown court jury need only to meet basic criteria. So my vote cannot be equivalent to someone whose just had 10 pints and is inebriated.
So I maintain when voting particularly on issues which affect the nation, you need understand what you are voting for, which means you are relying on the candidate to be truthful and honest and factual. I have not seen any evidence of this in the Tory party or any of its candidates over the last 14 years. The US voters have just elected a person who is a convicted felon and the associates are just as bad. Hitler won an election. The thinking middle must have been absent.

What is worse when people like Musk interfere they are plain wrong, his Dad was trying to make out Nelson Mandela was comparable to Ghastly Yaxley.....Clearly an incorrect opinion ( based on fact) that should not be aired on any platform.
Mandela made SA a successful place by freeing the indigenous people.
I do agree the middle ground needs conviction, but the middle ground institutions have been hijacked. The tories are against the ECHR, ICC, the UNSC, muslim orgs, NHS, BBC, Water, supporting pro Zionists, public inquiry reforms not acted upon as is topical.....

Maremia

Talking about fact checking, why is Musk so focussed on just about everywhere except South Africa?

Why is Trump so concerned about other countries and not what is happening in the USA?
Is he trying to out-do Putin?

Oreo

Also Kalms I dislike your use of ‘uneducated’ and the fact you say that ‘anyone however unqualified can post anything is a recipe for disaster.’To my mind there’s too much of the feeling superior and looking down from their dizzy heights by posters on forums and SM platforms as it is.There have also been posters who suggest that voters should have IQ tests.You either believe as I do that every man and woman has a vote who’s entitled to one and that they should also have an equal right to an opinion on SM unless they post something which is actually criminal, truly racist and so on.

Well said, Oreo

Those kinds of thoughts seem quite sinister and bring to my mind eugenics.

Allira

Oreo

Also Kalms I dislike your use of ‘uneducated’ and the fact you say that ‘anyone however unqualified can post anything is a recipe for disaster.’To my mind there’s too much of the feeling superior and looking down from their dizzy heights by posters on forums and SM platforms as it is.There have also been posters who suggest that voters should have IQ tests.You either believe as I do that every man and woman has a vote who’s entitled to one and that they should also have an equal right to an opinion on SM unless they post something which is actually criminal, truly racist and so on.

Well said, Oreo

Those kinds of thoughts seem quite sinister and bring to my mind eugenics.

👏👏👏👏well said.