Welby still can’t read the room

Sad to say but in many cases, the Church is seen by many as a career rather than a vocation. In the past, the Archbishop of Canterbury was an advisor to the monarch, much as the King's Druid used to be. Hence Welby's political comments.

Too many people should stick to the job they are paid to do, and leave their egos at the door.

Should have left with his tail between his legs 😩

Whilst there are always exceptions to the rule, I would consider it to be far safer to have a woman, as overseeing bishop, in any such case. Of course there are dreadful people like Rose West, but I would be more trusting of the words of someone of the same sex as the abused than the "all boys together " attitude , which is of course shown in the arrogant "party goodbye" instead of him standing making an abject apology and then slinking out by the back door . Even the fact that he has this party shows he has no idea of appropriate behaviour and if he doesnt understand the situation he should not be doing any of the judging. There are always "advisers" in every situation, usually trying to minimize and avoid apologizing for the disgraceful behaviour. In a church you would at least expect that apologies and repentance and definite change of attitude , more than in a firm. Sadly you couldnt see the difference between their behaviour and other arrogant attitudes by men, such as Boris Johnson making rules that he does not see he should have to adhere to either.

madeleine45

Whilst there are always exceptions to the rule, I would consider it to be far safer to have a woman, as overseeing bishop, in any such case. Of course there are dreadful people like Rose West, but I would be more trusting of the words of someone of the same sex as the abused than the "all boys together " attitude , which is of course shown in the arrogant "party goodbye" instead of him standing making an abject apology and then slinking out by the back door . Even the fact that he has this party shows he has no idea of appropriate behaviour and if he doesnt understand the situation he should not be doing any of the judging. There are always "advisers" in every situation, usually trying to minimize and avoid apologizing for the disgraceful behaviour. In a church you would at least expect that apologies and repentance and definite change of attitude , more than in a firm. Sadly you couldnt see the difference between their behaviour and other arrogant attitudes by men, such as Boris Johnson making rules that he does not see he should have to adhere to either.

I used to work in police admin and I don't think I agree with you. Some of the best officers I worked with who were the most understanding of abused women, who were the least judgemental were men. I worked with more than one female officer who were unable to empathise with a woman who was more vulnerable than they were. Of course there were female officers who were great and male officers who weren't but I don't think it was to do with sex.

I think it is a case of the right person for the job not the right sex for the job.

I agree.
And in the Welby issue by which he was eventually unwillingly forced out ie abuse by John Smyth the victims were male.

A local church has had to endure hearing pastoral concern during prayers for Welby by the vicar.
Both when he finally announced that he was going and last week as he prepared to lay down his office.
Literally. Lay down his office.
Unbelievable. No mention of all the victims.
And the congregation have to maintain a reverent demeanor.
While frequently being reminded that safeguarding is everyone's responsibility.
As if it is our fault by act or default.
Vicar may be a friend of his.
So many of them shew no awareness of the public view of all this shared across the board.
As so well expressed by Ian Hislop.
He challenged Welby swanning around at a grand do.
Made no difference. Water off a duck's back.
There followed the performance in the house of Lords.
And then the leaving do at the palace.

Wonder if we'll have to pray for his retirement this Sunday.

Pray for forgiveness for him and for the wellbeing of those who suffered as a result of his negligence?

welbeck

A local church has had to endure hearing pastoral concern during prayers for Welby by the vicar.
Both when he finally announced that he was going and last week as he prepared to lay down his office.
Literally. Lay down his office.
Unbelievable. No mention of all the victims.
And the congregation have to maintain a reverent demeanor.
While frequently being reminded that safeguarding is everyone's responsibility.
As if it is our fault by act or default.
Vicar may be a friend of his.
So many of them shew no awareness of the public view of all this shared across the board.
As so well expressed by Ian Hislop.
He challenged Welby swanning around at a grand do.
Made no difference. Water off a duck's back.
There followed the performance in the house of Lords.
And then the leaving do at the palace.

Wonder if we'll have to pray for his retirement this Sunday.

It seems to be such a men's club .. all covering each other's backs.. Do you have any women clergy Wellbeck? I must say I'd find it difficult to sit through as well..

Don't sit through it. Speak up. It's your church too!

I do not think many people see the church as a career rather than a vocation. I am married to a retired vicar and know many clergy. The pay is poor but you don't do it for the money. I feel privileged to have lived in a vicarage for many years and knowing members of the congregation through the ups and downs of their lives.

It looks like Welby is on track to receive a life peerage (generally awarded when an archbishop retires at 70).
There are calls against this but no confirmation it won't happen.

I’m still dismayed that John Bercow never got his peerage!

The Church may have been seen as a career in Jane Austin’s time. mumofmadboys is correct, it’s a vocation now. I have two friends who left successful legal careers to be ordained. Another friend, now in their 70’s, told me they were brought up in a family of atheists and on a train journey home from university ‘knew’ their future was in the CofE

It is still a career though, in terms of career progression etc.
Well to some at least.

In the denomination I am in[not c of e] the pay isnt seen as bad.
As you dont have house expenses to pay for.
So the salary is seen as reasonably generous.
But they do then have not to have sqaundered money along the way. as when they retire, they need to find their own accomodation.

Why he didn't care about young men who suffered awful abuse he shouldn't get any more privileges

So the church synod met today
What did they decide not much
from what was said on the news it doesn't sound like the church knows how to make the right decisions sad

The CofE is in a real mess. Congregations for most churches are falling. The mismanagement of safeguarding, alongside the images of the mostly male Bishops dressed up in frankly ludicrous outfits isn’t going to encourage church attendance

It was apparently too difficult and time consuming to do the right thing and authorise independent safeguarding so they voted to do it themselves. Who are they protecting, well apart from Stephen Cottrell.