Musk’s salute.

Yes, I understand. My point is that any mention of 'bandwagon of prejudice and ignorance' in context with the nomination of Trump, is risible, in not a funny way.

I was quoting it, it wasn't my view.

How did this man get a job with the US government?

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But if the Germans, who know a bit more about this, believe it to be a NAZI salute?

Some germans do some dont. I am half German.

Maremia

But if the Germans, who know a bit more about this, believe it to be a NAZI salute?

There was a very good article in Die Welt that said unequivocally that it was a Nazi salute .

Alexa show me the left signing away power for at least the next decade.

No this was Nazi salute without being political. In the late 70's the NF had a chant "look seagulls seagulls and pointed to the sky" It was only on closer inspection they were chanting Seig Heil....Chelsea Brighton Millwall matches may come to mind.
In those days Blacks and Asians were a very small minority and defenceless.
The german govt rightly deems this act as being criminal and not a matter of political expression. The action and words were always carried where the Nazis were victorious in various campaigns. The first of these were in locations where jews and minorities were working and residing. Compare this the first of the EO which was against the govt DEI personnel, and the usual Nazi type action of people following orders was enacted, All the DEI workers are suspended on full pay. If this happened in any other country of any govt department it would be news.
However as it is in the US it is given the "aura/blessing" of a justified democratic process.
Then there is the ADL forcing people to believe black is white. Musk has background in white apartheid south africa where the whites were forced to believe that Africans were inferior, when there is no scientific basis at all.

Kalm

No this was Nazi salute without being political. In the late 70's the NF had a chant "look seagulls seagulls and pointed to the sky" It was only on closer inspection they were chanting Seig Heil....Chelsea Brighton Millwall matches may come to mind.
In those days Blacks and Asians were a very small minority and defenceless.
The german govt rightly deems this act as being criminal and not a matter of political expression. The action and words were always carried where the Nazis were victorious in various campaigns. The first of these were in locations where jews and minorities were working and residing. Compare this the first of the EO which was against the govt DEI personnel, and the usual Nazi type action of people following orders was enacted, All the DEI workers are suspended on full pay. If this happened in any other country of any govt department it would be news.
However as it is in the US it is given the "aura/blessing" of a justified democratic process.
Then there is the ADL forcing people to believe black is white. Musk has background in white apartheid south africa where the whites were forced to believe that Africans were inferior, when there is no scientific basis at all.

Good post

No it isn’t, it’s nothing to do with Musk and the context in which he used this gesture.
Hands up , but not a salute of any kind 😉those who really dislike Musk and who say this was without doubt a N salute?
Hands up those who really dislike him but don’t think it was?
Well, the second group includes me.
Context is everything.
As other posters have mentioned there are loads of other celebs and sports people who have used this gesture including Obama.
There are/will be many things that Musk does/says to get worked up about but this ain’t one of them IMO.

Read on my phone this morning that he had some type of “word play” of some of the most vile SS German commanders on X- I don’t do X but if true, then that is just appalling

Elon Musk is revelling in being spoken/speculated about, across all forms of media, it’s like oxygen to him.

Why feed his ego?

According to the Independent, Elon Musk's daughter Vivien Wilson has publicly condemned the 'salutes' in no uncertain terms.

Vivien Wilson changed her name after having been repeatedly verbally abused by her, mainly absent, father who did not approve of Vivien transitioning to become a woman.

Here you go M61

Musk on X

"“Don’t say Hess to Nazi accusations! Some people will Goebbels anything down! Stop Gőring your enemies! His pronouns would’ve been He/Himmler! Bet you did nazi that coming,” posted Musk, the world’s richest man, adding laughing-face emojis.

reported in The Times of Israel

www.timesofisrael.com/elon-musk-jokes-about-nazis-after-netanyahu-defends-him-as-great-friend-of-israel/

Actual X post

x.com/elonmusk/status/1882406209187409976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1882406209187409976%7Ctwgr%5E9ada98d58088fa49060876466f643fe5e4e2e363%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.timesofisrael.com%2Felon-musk-jokes-about-nazis-after-netanyahu-defends-him-as-great-friend-of-israel%2F&mx=2

Although I don't think the actual salute was meant to be offensive, I now think that Musk is so pissed off with all this deflamatory media attention that he will behave exactly as he has been portrayed..

He should have been ignored.. he will be even more of a menace now

Oreo

No it isn’t, it’s nothing to do with Musk and the context in which he used this gesture.
Hands up , but not a salute of any kind 😉those who really dislike Musk and who say this was without doubt a N salute?
Hands up those who really dislike him but don’t think it was?
Well, the second group includes me.
Context is everything.
As other posters have mentioned there are loads of other celebs and sports people who have used this gesture including Obama.
There are/will be many things that Musk does/says to get worked up about but this ain’t one of them IMO.

You are taking contrived photos that X had come up with when you cite Obama . He is not a fascist is he ? There is an excellent article in the German newspaper Die Welt that explains why it 100 percent was a Nazi salute . I noticed NYT quoted it as well , Meanwhile Musk has gotten himself in trouble with the ADL for making silly puns about Nazi leaders in a recent X post . This time they came down on him hard . A German museum has now taken down his portrait . They take these gestures seriously !

pascal30

Although I don't think the actual salute was meant to be offensive, I now think that Musk is so pissed off with all this deflamatory media attention that he will behave exactly as he has been portrayed..

He should have been ignored.. he will be even more of a menace now

The neo Nazis never ignored him they celebrated from day one of his saluting nonsense !

“A Hitler salute is a Hitler salute is a Hitler salute,” the prominent German weekly Die Zeit wrote in an editorial.

“There is no need to make this unnecessarily complicated,” the editorial said. “Anyone on a political stage giving a political speech in front of a partly right-wing extremist audience,” — present at the inauguration were several far-right politicians from Germany, Italy, France and Britain — “anyone who raises their right arm in a swinging manner and at an angle several times is doing the Hitler salute.”

“Anyone who now thinks they have to discover the older ‘Roman salute’ as a supposed Musk reference is, above all, demonstrating their willingness to reinterpret it in a benign way,” it concluded.

This is from the German newspaper Die Welt

Meanwhile this is circulating on the internet from a former X employee:
What started as US election interference has now spread to other countries. We're currently doing the
same thing in Germany and other
European nations." *We systematically silenced anyone who got in our way. Enforcing the rules when it suited us, and ignoring them when it didn't. Elon Musk himself was deeply involved in these
decisions. Often joking about being
"Black MAGA." Signed, a former employee (a whistleblower) who can't sleep at
night.

Mt61

Read on my phone this morning that he had some type of “word play” of some of the most vile SS German commanders on X- I don’t do X but if true, then that is just appalling

This WAS a Nazi salute, it's like denying a triangle has 3 sides.
Do people not understand Nazi philosophy. There is no "alleged" about it, It was there for all to see in context of the criminal leader. This is where right wing thinking ends up. All nonsense about Musk having ADHD is rubbish as he as done other non verbal signals with full intent. We don't need a referendum on "Can you prove day is night"......

pascal30

Although I don't think the actual salute was meant to be offensive, I now think that Musk is so pissed off with all this deflamatory media attention that he will behave exactly as he has been portrayed..

He should have been ignored.. he will be even more of a menace now

This WAS a Nazi salute, it's like denying a triangle has 3 sides.
Do people not understand Nazi philosophy. There is no "alleged" about it, It was there for all to see in context of the criminal leader. This is where right wing thinking ends up. All nonsense about Musk having ADHD is rubbish as he as done other non verbal signals with full intent. We don't need a referendum on "Can you prove day is night"......

We dont need a referendum - we just dont agree with you.

Galaxy

We dont need a referendum - we just dont agree with you.

And you are just plain absolutely wrong, its not about agreeing or disagreeing. It was NAZI salute full stop. This would be criminal or offensive action in most places. There is no need to impose falsehood or untruths. There is a difference between fact and fiction.