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Four Israeli female soldiers released this morning

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GrannyGravy13 Sat 25-Jan-25 09:20:26

Four young women who have been held hostage by Hamas for 15 months have been released this morning. I dread to think what they have experienced during their captivity.

They are being exchanged for 200 Palestinian prisoners.

The BBC’s Middle East correspondent reported this morning that amongst the Palestinians there will be many convicted criminals who are being extradited to Countries who have agreed to accept them. They will not be allowed to remain in Gaza or the West Bank.

I cannot understand the ratio 4 - 200?

Kalm Sun 26-Jan-25 22:00:30

And may be the Knesset and Trump should learn, especially the phrase "clean-out" Gaza; the phrase is related to the final solution, a book recommended to me by a Jewish friend "The Origins of the Final Solution : The Evolution of Nazi Jewish Policy, September 1939 – March 1942. - Christopher Browning"
My friend's view we should not be scared of looking at the Gaza genocide through the prism of the holocaust. I hope all the Palestinian prisoners are released as well including the women and children

Anniebach Sun 26-Jan-25 22:04:10

My Jewish friends don’t agree

Kalm Sun 26-Jan-25 22:24:41

Anniebach

My Jewish friends don’t agree

It is only the Zionists who tend not to agree, perhaps they need to be educated. Many Palestinians are held in administrative detention which is illegal against Israel's laws. No international oversight is allowed. Many are in jail because they peacefully protest from the settler violence. The settlers have had sanctions imposed by the UK/EU.
You would be surprised at the surprisingly large number of Jews in the UK and USA who want a complete rethink of Israel and what it stands for, the anti semitic argument no longer can be used against valid political criticism. My friends also disagree that Palestinians should be cleansed from Gaza.....

growstuff Sun 26-Jan-25 22:28:16

Anniebach

My Jewish friends don’t agree

So what do your friends think? Do they agree that all Palestinians should be forced to relocate and Israel should take full control of the territory?

maddyone Mon 27-Jan-25 00:01:43

GrannyGravy13

Tomorrow is the 80th Anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz.

Holocaust Memorial Day

I hope the rest of the Israeli hostages including the children and babies are released soon.

GrannyGravy I am fearful that the two little red haired boys are dead.

Rosie51 Mon 27-Jan-25 00:03:05

Kalm The Israeli hostages looked happy and healthy and were being referred to as Habibi, a term of strong endearment.
Are you saying their captors referred to them as Habibi? It was hardly strong endearment that led the killing, raping, burning of so many (including young children and babies) plus kidnapping of those taken hostage. A religion that thinks their God wants them to rape, murder and desecrate 'non believers' to glorify him is just way beyond my understanding.

Rosie51 Mon 27-Jan-25 00:07:52

maddyone

GrannyGravy13

Tomorrow is the 80th Anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz.

Holocaust Memorial Day

I hope the rest of the Israeli hostages including the children and babies are released soon.

GrannyGravy I am fearful that the two little red haired boys are dead.

I may be wrong, but I thought their deaths were reported quite early? I truly hope that was wrong reporting and they are freed soon, but what mental scars will they bear?

GrannyGravy13 Mon 27-Jan-25 07:21:24

I am disgusted that Hamas are being congratulated for using a term of endearment towards the hostages.

I shall wait until all remaining hostages are freed, and they feel safe to tell the truth of their captivity.

Kalm Mon 27-Jan-25 09:07:06

Rosie51

Kalm The Israeli hostages looked happy and healthy and were being referred to as Habibi, a term of strong endearment.
Are you saying their captors referred to them as Habibi? It was hardly strong endearment that led the killing, raping, burning of so many (including young children and babies) plus kidnapping of those taken hostage. A religion that thinks their God wants them to rape, murder and desecrate 'non believers' to glorify him is just way beyond my understanding.

Rosie51 and Grannygravy13
You need to respective heads a wobble, or get some good quality specs. The Habibi voices were from the crowd I didn't know who they were or where voices came from. The captives were released as part of a 2 sided negotiated process.
All violence is wrong and some of the events of Oct 7 are disputed.
If war crimes have taken place then that is reprehensible and subject to the rule of law. Proportionality ? is word that the IDF don't understand.
The conflict did not start on 7th Oct 2023. Also which religion are you talking about ? and where is the evidence ? Or are you saying AL Aqsa mosque should belong to the Zionists.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 27-Jan-25 09:22:15

This conflict did not start on 7th Oct 2023

I disagree this current escalation definitely started with the Hamas atrocities on that date.

Kalm there is multiple footage from Hamas themselves, much live streamed at the time of the attacks.

War hardened journalists shown footage (too dreadful for general release) came out in tears.

Hamas started this current war, but Israel will end it.
Jews have been persecuted for millennia, it’s time it stops.

Anniebach Mon 27-Jan-25 09:31:23

Attempts of denial does not change the truth,Hamas declared
war on Israel 7th October 2023

ferry23 Mon 27-Jan-25 10:16:48

Kalm

Anniebach

My Jewish friends don’t agree

It is only the Zionists who tend not to agree, perhaps they need to be educated. Many Palestinians are held in administrative detention which is illegal against Israel's laws. No international oversight is allowed. Many are in jail because they peacefully protest from the settler violence. The settlers have had sanctions imposed by the UK/EU.
You would be surprised at the surprisingly large number of Jews in the UK and USA who want a complete rethink of Israel and what it stands for, the anti semitic argument no longer can be used against valid political criticism. My friends also disagree that Palestinians should be cleansed from Gaza.....

Where is your evidence Kalm that it is ONLY Zionists who tend not to agree and why are you accusing them of being uneducated?

I would be surprised about the large number of Jews in the UK & the USA who want a complete rethink about Israel. Where is you evidence and statistics supporting this and what are the sources?

Your friends also disagree - well lots of my fiends don't. In fact most of my friends have differing views on differing subjects. Most of my friends don't like Eminem but clearly a lot of people do.

You must have one heck of a lot of friends if you believe their opinions are fact.

maddyone Mon 27-Jan-25 10:26:26

some of the events of Oct 7 are disputed

The Holocaust is disputed by some too!

Who is disputing the events of Oct 7th?

Were they there?

Are Gransnetters disputing these events?

Allira Mon 27-Jan-25 10:27:27

Well said ferry23 and Rosupie51

Kalm your posts are verging on the rude and arrogant. Your view are just that - views, not facts.

Allira Mon 27-Jan-25 10:27:55

Rosupie51
Oops, sorry, Rosie51

pascal30 Mon 27-Jan-25 10:33:13

Kalm

Anniebach

My Jewish friends don’t agree

It is only the Zionists who tend not to agree, perhaps they need to be educated. Many Palestinians are held in administrative detention which is illegal against Israel's laws. No international oversight is allowed. Many are in jail because they peacefully protest from the settler violence. The settlers have had sanctions imposed by the UK/EU.
You would be surprised at the surprisingly large number of Jews in the UK and USA who want a complete rethink of Israel and what it stands for, the anti semitic argument no longer can be used against valid political criticism. My friends also disagree that Palestinians should be cleansed from Gaza.....

I agree Kalm

theworriedwell Mon 27-Jan-25 15:16:17

Two year old shot and killed by the IDF at the weekend. Those Palestinian terrorists eh.

Anniebach Mon 27-Jan-25 16:09:56

Who release that info, Hamas ?

GrannyGravy13 Mon 27-Jan-25 16:12:44

theworriedwell

Two year old shot and killed by the IDF at the weekend. Those Palestinian terrorists eh.

The IDF attacked a building after a tip off that there were fighters/terrorists there. They did not deliberately target a child.

The IDF are holding an immediate enquiry.

Allira Mon 27-Jan-25 16:13:33

Anniebach

Who release that info, Hamas ?

I think it is true Anniebach.

Sadly, the terrorists hide behind ordinary families including innocent small children.

Anniebach Mon 27-Jan-25 16:14:20

Thank you GrannyGravy

Oreo Mon 27-Jan-25 16:41:37

Honestly Kalms I don’t think you know any Jews.
NB isn’t universally popular but everyone I know is behind the Israeli govt in ridding Gaza of hamas both the terrorist arm of it and the political, who direct the terrorists .They have had enough of being attacked and are fighting back until hamas have nowhere to hide, nor their supporters.

Allira Mon 27-Jan-25 16:47:40

You would be surprised at the surprisingly large number of Jews in the UK and USA who want a complete rethink of Israel and what it stands for, the anti semitic argument no longer can be used against valid political criticism. My friends also disagree that Palestinians should be cleansed from Gaza .....

Yes, I would be surprised.
I take it you're not listening to the powerful speeches at the 80th Anniversary of the Liberation of Auschwitz?

maddyone Mon 27-Jan-25 17:36:55

I take it you’re not listening to the powerful speeches at the 80th Anniversary of the Liberation of Auschwitz?

Exactly my thoughts Allira.

Today really is not the day is it?

Allira Mon 27-Jan-25 18:04:41

maddyone

^I take it you’re not listening to the powerful speeches at the 80th Anniversary of the Liberation of Auschwitz?^

Exactly my thoughts Allira.

Today really is not the day is it?

It most certainly is not.

The message was most powerfully put over at the Memorial event that anti-semitism is on the increase.
Even on a site like this.