Four Israeli female soldiers released this morning

Allira

maddyone

I take it you’re not listening to the powerful speeches at the 80th Anniversary of the Liberation of Auschwitz?

Exactly my thoughts Allira.

Today really is not the day is it?

It most certainly is not.

The message was most powerfully put over at the Memorial event that anti-semitism is on the increase.
Even on a site like this.

Is it on the increase on GN?

Oreo

Honestly Kalms I don’t think you know any Jews.
NB isn’t universally popular but everyone I know is behind the Israeli govt in ridding Gaza of hamas both the terrorist arm of it and the political, who direct the terrorists .They have had enough of being attacked and are fighting back until hamas have nowhere to hide, nor their supporters.

Are the "everybody" Jewish, Israeli or neither?

I must admit that everybody I know doesn't think like that, especially as the price has been the destruction of Gaza, the non-return (and probably death) of hostages, the death of so many Palestinians and the long-term escalation of hatred.

growstuff

Oreo

Honestly Kalms I don’t think you know any Jews.
NB isn’t universally popular but everyone I know is behind the Israeli govt in ridding Gaza of hamas both the terrorist arm of it and the political, who direct the terrorists .They have had enough of being attacked and are fighting back until hamas have nowhere to hide, nor their supporters.

Are the "everybody" Jewish, Israeli or neither?

I must admit that everybody I know doesn't think like that, especially as the price has been the destruction of Gaza, the non-return (and probably death) of hostages, the death of so many Palestinians and the long-term escalation of hatred.

So why have babies died with no shrapnel wounds and entire bullets lodged in their bodies ?
www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/shattering-testimony-from-gaza-surgeon-ignored-by-media-and-politicians/

Why are you asking me?

was meant for Oreo - apologies

I thought no one was allowed to move into, or out of, Gaza.
Medical supplies are being restricted but people are allowed to move in and out of Gaza?

maddyone

I thought no one was allowed to move into, or out of, Gaza.
Medical supplies are being restricted but people are allowed to move in and out of Gaza?

Doctors and some other people can apply for permits to enter or leave Gaza. The permits are strictly controlled by the Israelis and apparently difficult to obtain.

Thank you growstuff. I didn’t know that.

A lot of the doctors work/worked in Israel and have to go through that humiliating corridor at border control to get over the border..

I found this job ad from April 2024:

Advert
Role: Medical Doctor General practitioner
Hours: Full time, with some weekend and evening working required to support the humanitarian programme delivery
Duration: Till end of 31st of December 2024 (funding pipeline dependent), with potential extension
Pay: £4,025 - £4,200 GBP gross per month (dependent on experience)
Location: Gaza with travel to Cairo, Egypt

www.uk-med.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/Candidate-Information-Pack-Medical-Doctor-GP-Gaza-April-2024-DA.pdf

Any children in Gaza didn’t die or were injured by design which is the very opposite of the Israeli children who were murdered in cold blood by the Palestinians who joined hamas.

It's hard to fathom isn't it? Israel places huge value on getting our hostages back, and I am sure that Hamas knows that, so they have huge leverage.
Back in 2011 Israel agreed to release over 1,000 Palestinian prisoners in exchange for ONE Israeli captured soldier, Gilad Shalit.
One of those released was Ichya Sinwar. An arch terrorist and the architect of October 7th. While in Israeli prison for terrorist actions he became ill with a brain tumor and was treated and cured in an Israeli hospital.
There are those in Israel who argue against these massive prisoner releases in return for our hostages, the fear being that they will return to terror activities and so the vicious circle will continue.
But the vast majority want our hostages back, alive or dead, and are willing to pay the price.
How many terrorists should we agree to release in return for the bodies of little Ariel and Kfir Bibas, and their mother Shiri? Taken alive from their home on October 7th and now assumed dead.

It's heartbreaking, but I for one am pleased to see things finally moving in the right direction.

If you have bombed areas that you have told people to move to, and ordinary civilians, women and children are killed, then it is, in my opinion, "by design". It was also by design that food and water was stopped from entering Gaza.

It has obviously been a terrible ordeal for the soldiers held as hostage. But it has also been a terrible ordeal for thousands of children who have been left with dreadful, life-changing injuries and no home to return to. Not to mention the thousands of children who have been killed.

Oreo

Any children in Gaza didn’t die or were injured by design which is the very opposite of the Israeli children who were murdered in cold blood by the Palestinians who joined hamas.

How was the 2 year old shot in the head and killed by IDF soldiers. Can't they aim or something.

I've heard the IDF investigating various things over the last 16 months. I never seem to hear the outcome.

Eloethan

If you have bombed areas that you have told people to move to, and ordinary civilians, women and children are killed, then it is, in my opinion, "by design". It was also by design that food and water was stopped from entering Gaza.

It has obviously been a terrible ordeal for the soldiers held as hostage. But it has also been a terrible ordeal for thousands of children who have been left with dreadful, life-changing injuries and no home to return to. Not to mention the thousands of children who have been killed.

quite..an absolute tragedy

theworriedwell

Oreo

Any children in Gaza didn’t die or were injured by design which is the very opposite of the Israeli children who were murdered in cold blood by the Palestinians who joined hamas.

How was the 2 year old shot in the head and killed by IDF soldiers. Can't they aim or something.

You would need to know the exact circumstances of why and where and who the soldiers were firing at and if the bullet went through a wall.In any conflict accidents and mistakes are sadly made.
Contrast that with the Palestinians hamas who crept into bedrooms in the early hours and stabbed babies to death or grabbed them out of cots and dashed them against a wall.
Spot the difference?

Whilst the killing of any child is absolutely heartbreaking, I agree with Oreo about the different scenarios.

Can't we just accept that neither is acceptable, there isn't a hierarchy of dead children?

Accidental death is simply not the same as murder Wyllow. The law certainly differentiates between the two.
But we all know it’s not nice whichever way a person dies.

Wyllow3

Can't we just accept that neither is acceptable, there isn't a hierarchy of dead children?

No, can’t be done as the manner of those deaths are not equal and it’s important for people to realise that.

maddyone

Accidental death is simply not the same as murder Wyllow. The law certainly differentiates between the two.
But we all know it’s not nice whichever way a person dies.

How can shooting at a target ever be called accidental death...
Their plan is to exterminate the Palestinians..

Do we know that the child was a target?
If not, it was an accidental death, meaning unintentional.

Their plan is to exterminate the Palestinians

You don’t know that.

Not true re elimination of all Palestinians, is true the desire to
eliminate all Jews