Trump and Vance attack womens health rights

But that is the point I am making. Farage is perfectly entitled to express the views described in that article. It works both ways.

Trump himself has said he is proud to be responsible for sitting the judges that overturned Roe vs Wade.

www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-was-able-kill-roe-v-wade-rcna84897

Pregnant women who do not want abortions are dying because they can't get medical care when their pregnancies turn out to have complications.

The new alcoholic Fox News host who is charge of our military has gone on record saying he doesn't believe women should be in combat. He has paid tens of thousands of dollars to women who have accused him of sexual assault

An DeSantis appointee to a University in Florida has stated that he doesn't believe women should be getting higher education.

There are whispers from down ballot GOP and Trump appointees who wish to see the 19th Amendment overturned. While this is not happening right now, it gives you an idea of what is happening for women in the US.

Trumps overturning of the EEOC will slowly allow discrimination against women to seep back to the 1950s

It isn't just about abortion. It is about the rights of women. Abortion is just where it starts.

The number of weeks limit is a valid debate.

My concerns lie more around those groups who seek to stop women having access to clinics by any means at their disposal whether in the states its fire bombing them,

or in the UK demonstrations, "shaming' women, handing out anti abortion leaflets, trying to push an agenda with politicians to change the law by joint US/UK organisations.

BTW, it's not just the UK, the US extreme anti abortion groups operate on other countries in purpose as well.

It is fine to have demos about abortions, the alternative is something I would find really scary. There are many different ways to limit freedom.

It’s not fine in my eyes for people to stand outside abortion clinics protesting and putting pressure on clients and staff.

I dont know what I feel about that to be honest, I think I am in agreement with buffer zones, but I know a number of people scared to go to parts of London when the marches are on, they feel intimidated and pressured, what do we do about that.

I don’t agree with demos against abortions at the clinics. Those women have enough stress without having that to look at on their way in. Broadly I don’t like abortions and would never have had one but there are many, many different reasons for them and that should be respected. Late term abortions are murder,though, as far as I’m concerned.

imaround

Trump himself has said he is proud to be responsible for sitting the judges that overturned Roe vs Wade.

www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-was-able-kill-roe-v-wade-rcna84897

Pregnant women who do not want abortions are dying because they can't get medical care when their pregnancies turn out to have complications.

The new alcoholic Fox News host who is charge of our military has gone on record saying he doesn't believe women should be in combat. He has paid tens of thousands of dollars to women who have accused him of sexual assault

An DeSantis appointee to a University in Florida has stated that he doesn't believe women should be getting higher education.

There are whispers from down ballot GOP and Trump appointees who wish to see the 19th Amendment overturned. While this is not happening right now, it gives you an idea of what is happening for women in the US.

Trumps overturning of the EEOC will slowly allow discrimination against women to seep back to the 1950s

It isn't just about abortion. It is about the rights of women. Abortion is just where it starts.

An DeSantis appointee to a University in Florida has stated that he doesn't believe women should be getting higher education.

... from Wiki...

Scott Yenor is a member of the Society for American Civic Renewal, a secretive, men-only Christian nationalist organization.

Yenor's anti-feminist rhetoric has been the source of controversy.[3] In a speech at the 2021 National Conservatism Conference, Yenor declared: "If we want a great nation, we should be preparing young women to become mothers ... Every effort must be made not to recruit women into" medicine, law, engineering and "every trade", instead "recruit and demand more of men" in these occupations; Yenor went on: "If every Nobel Prize winner is a man, that’s not a failure. It’s kind of a cause for celebration". Yenor referred to career-oriented women as "medicated, meddlesome and quarrelsome". He said that higher educational institutions were undermining the traditional family, declaring them "citadels of our gynecocracy".

Yenor anonymously founded the far-right website Action Idaho in 2021. The platform published commentary critical of Idaho Republicans deemed insufficiently right-wing and hateful disinformation related to LGBTQ+ groups. Yenor received funding for the endeavor from Claremont Institute chairman Thomas Klingenstein. His authorship of the website was uncovered in 2024.
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Trump has opened Pandora's box. Perhaps Gilead wasn't so far-fetched after all.

You are right imaround...

It isn't just about abortion. It is about the rights of women. Abortion is just where it starts.

There are men, in other cultures, who also want to control women, deny them an education, keep them in the home to breed babies, silence their voices...

I hope the women who voted for the pussy-grabber are going to be happy when these red-blooded all-American alpha-males begin to wield power over their lives, and the lives of their daughters and grand daughters. And make America great again.

It is scary Dickens. And completely unfathomable to me that my children will have less rights then I did at their age.

On the other hand Trump has stopped men from invading womens’s spaces and taking part in their sports so what are we saying? But regarding abortion there seems to be a different stance although it is down to state not federal legislature so Trump cannot impose this unilaterally. Should individual states have the right to decide for themselves? That’s how the Civil War started. The constitution in the Syates is very different from ours although we might think it’s similar and we need to remember that.

Watch The Handmaids Tale and Years and Years- they are both a glimpse of the future

25Avalon

On the other hand Trump has stopped men from invading womens’s spaces and taking part in their sports so what are we saying? But regarding abortion there seems to be a different stance although it is down to state not federal legislature so Trump cannot impose this unilaterally. Should individual states have the right to decide for themselves? That’s how the Civil War started. The constitution in the Syates is very different from ours although we might think it’s similar and we need to remember that.

But he hasn’t done this because he wants to protect women, he’s done it as he doesn’t believe in gender transition.

As for federal v local, Trump will no doubt serve an order or whatever he needs to, if he feels so inclined.

3 states have sued the federal government to stop abortion medication from being mailed nationwide because not having pregnant teenagers is hurting the states economy. This will end abortions in states where it is legal as well.

Multiple states put abortion rights on the ballot, and it passed. Now those states legislators are creating ridiculous restrictions and rules that keeps women away from abortion despite it being legal.

This is not about choice. This is about controlling women.

As for transgender people, I haven't even brought this up really, but prisoners in Florida are being forced to de-transition and into conversion therapy.

2 states are trying to pass laws that charge parents of transgender minors with child abuse, take thier kids into foster care and force them into conversion therapy.

One state is trying to remove transgender people from anti-discrimination laws, which will make it legal to discriminate against them.

We are at the start of multiple human rights violations in the US against women, transgender individuals and immigrants. If you aren't white and male, you are in for a rough ride.

There it is. The fine gentleman from Missouri has introduced a bill that will ban abortion nationwide.

I guess it isn't about states rights or the will of the people is it.

www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/722?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3YX70f0ORsjIPdkcMLbqRv9dlW0pa5CI1TNzrDULEbxi2hMnQ-gdlExss_aem_Z0Uab-ci1-E0yEo2nHSF6w

nanna8 I agree with you, especially about very late abortions. My son was born before the official gestation date when abortion was legal and it really upset me to think the nurses and doctors were doing everything they could to save him in SCBU whereas other babies of the same gestation were being killed legally in another part of the hospital. Like your granddaughter he also went to university and has had a full and happy life.

imaround

There it is. The fine gentleman from Missouri has introduced a bill that will ban abortion nationwide.

I guess it isn't about states rights or the will of the people is it.

www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/722?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3YX70f0ORsjIPdkcMLbqRv9dlW0pa5CI1TNzrDULEbxi2hMnQ-gdlExss_aem_Z0Uab-ci1-E0yEo2nHSF6w

That is a very bad development if it gains real traction. I suppose it was inevitable that someone would try it on in the current climate. I don't know how it fits with the current situation of states deciding.

Trump depended a lot on the Southern Baptist vote and they would take the stance that abortion for any reason is murder. If he went against them he would lose a lot of voters. Plus, of course, God saved him for a purpose (his words). Don’t forget how America took in religious zealots , the Pilgrim Fathers, from the very beginning of Western settlement and their descendants are still there today. Same with the take on guns- historical pioneer attitudes.

nanna8, that was my father's view on the settlers who arrived first in the new Americas. Religious zealots ( bigots?) with a very narrow world view, and limited tolerance for alternative thoughts.
He felt that this mindset was perpetuated over generations, in certain sections of society.
He spoke as a somewhat lapsed Roman Catholic!

Chocolatelovinggran

nanna8, that was my father's view on the settlers who arrived first in the new Americas. Religious zealots ( bigots?) with a very narrow world view, and limited tolerance for alternative thoughts.
He felt that this mindset was perpetuated over generations, in certain sections of society.
He spoke as a somewhat lapsed Roman Catholic!

I agree wholeheartedly.

It’s so sad, theses groups are perfectly entitled to live their lives their way, but that’s where it ends, they have no right whatsoever to impose their religious and moral beliefs on anyone else.

@*undines*. I’m glad you have not met a woman who regrets and suffers from bringing a child into the world against their will. Unfortunately, I have met far too many women who do. Women in extreme poverty unable to support themselves and care for their children, women exhausted from working full time and looking after their very large families and partners who do very little for whom one more child tips the balance into desperation, women in abusive relationships who would have left if it wasn’t for the child, women who have left but who continue to be abused because of the rights of their former partners over the child, teens who have been thrown out of their home and expelled from their families and support networks. The baby is resented and blamed for the situation, maybe subconsciously, often overly. Many of these children suffer terribly too. Many, both women and children, kill themselves because they can’t cope with these circumstances many more live with depression and worse. Women who hate, yes a strong word, but accurate, hate their child because they are a constant reminder of the rape and abuse during which the child was conceived…. women whose partners leave them to struggle because they can’t cope with the stress of what they see as an imperfect child. The years of sleepless nights, lack of support and intensity of the care needed can lead to resentment and rejection of the child .

Cossy

Chocolatelovinggran

nanna8, that was my father's view on the settlers who arrived first in the new Americas. Religious zealots ( bigots?) with a very narrow world view, and limited tolerance for alternative thoughts.
He felt that this mindset was perpetuated over generations, in certain sections of society.
He spoke as a somewhat lapsed Roman Catholic!

I agree wholeheartedly.

It’s so sad, theses groups are perfectly entitled to live their lives their way, but that’s where it ends, they have no right whatsoever to impose their religious and moral beliefs on anyone else.

Absolutely! No your body, not your business. Simple.

In Texas, a bill has been filed to make certain birth control illegal.

www.lonestarleft.com/p/breaking-brent-money-bill-to-criminalize?r=g2k1&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&triedRedirect=true

A New York doctor has been indicted in Louisana for prescribing abortion pills to a woman in Louisana.

If convicted it will be a felony with fines up to $5,000 and up to 5 years in jail.

The state of Texas sued the same doctor previously.

New York has shield laws to protect their medical staff in cases like this, but I don't know how it will all work out. This is rather unprecedented.

I realise that some women don't accept abortion and would never agree to an abortion themselves. That's fine, that's their right.

However, I don't think anybody has the right to deny a woman an abortion if she feels unable, for whatever reason, to continue a pregnancy. And especially not men - who seem to have a very loud voice on this issue, despite their very limited contribution to pregnancy, labour and, quite often, to parenthood. There are many women trying to bring up their children alone, while their partner/husband is reluctant to make a proper financial contribution to the maintenance or offer practical assistance to the rearing of their own children. Ditto all these people who are anti-abortion. Where are they when women are left holding the baby? Quite often they are the ones that describe women as "irresponsible" for becoming pregnant and who disagree with benefits being paid to assist them.