What is it with men? Some men, perhaps, but TOO MANY

David49

Your own son’s grandsons are exactly the same when they get together, that’s the way it is. I have to say behavior has got worse in recent years because so many young women don’t want long term relationships, concentrating on careers. Couples that pair up and settle down gets later and later, so it’s a casual sex and no commitment, the men gather in lads groups, drinking or taking drugs.

I thoroughly disagree with what I see happening but that’s what I see around me.

..because so many young women don't want long term relationships, concentrating on careers.

Oh, I see, it's the WOMEN'S fault.

I think not.

I wouldn't be digging that hole any deeper if I were you.

David49 we have four sons, five grandsons (two of which are mid teens)

They all have banter but find the likes of the Tate brothers and their attitude towards women disgusting.

Please do not excuse these men (dinosaurs)

I find your post condescending at best, grossly misogynistic at worst.

James and John, I was just about to say that last night, I saw part of a programme with Wynne and Joanna, All at Sea, and seeing all the press coverage, I am surprised that it was still broadcast.
What a nasty little man, and even though Joanna was laughing, I wonder how uncomfortable she felt presenting the programme with him?

Uh-oh! Another one bites the dust…..and yes they are often as not quite unattractive themselves…
… (or am I being looksist ? )

He is a stupid silly man who has ruined his career. He should have stuck to adverts. Nevertheless it’s good to see and hear what these individuals are really like. On what level he thought it acceptable, only he knows. Mental health is a cop out.

GrannyGravy13

David49 we have four sons, five grandsons (two of which are mid teens)

They all have banter but find the likes of the Tate brothers and their attitude towards women disgusting.

Please do not excuse these men (dinosaurs)

I find your post condescending at best, grossly misogynistic at worst.

Thank you GrannyGravy. I have two adult sons-in-law, 2 adult grandsons and numerous friends who are the young - middle aged grandsons, sons, friends of ours. Not one of them would dream of behaving / speaking in the way you describe
I’m shocked that you slide so easily into blaming women for the awful abusive behaviour of men

GrannyGravy13

David49 we have four sons, five grandsons (two of which are mid teens)

They all have banter but find the likes of the Tate brothers and their attitude towards women disgusting.

Please do not excuse these men (dinosaurs)

I find your post condescending at best, grossly misogynistic at worst.

I dislike what’s happening as much as you do but that’s what is happening. It’s not women’s fault it’s mens reaction to their independance

I’m no more misogynistic than many on this site are misandrist, take your blinkers off and see what is really happening in the real world

David49 the only blinkers I have are what I used training our horses.

I work in an environment which is 98% male.

I will not accept your perverted version of acceptability, not now, not tomorrow, never!

Newly made 'celebrities' who are only well known through being seen on a screen not for any talent usually...certain personalities often quickly get inflated ego's.

They think everyone loves them and they can be as outrageous as they like, that they are amusing their hoards of fans by how 'cutting edge, current and 'out there' they are. They then think they are untouchable and too important to be called to account.

It's just who they really are coming out. Thank God not all men, or celebrities, are like this. These personalities are deeply unpleasant and unfortunately influence their fans. Or as in this case people are disgusted and peel away.

Btw I've been struck by [for example] Lee Mack has become more smutty/very near the mark with his comments/attempts to be funny when talking to individuals in the audience on The 1% Club. I'm sure he is very 'edgy' in his shows off the TV but TV requires a different type of content. It's not going down well with me anyway...I've lost respect.

GrannyGravy13

David49 the only blinkers I have are what I used training our horses.

I work in an environment which is 98% male.

I will not accept your perverted version of acceptability, not now, not tomorrow, never!

So all women’s are perfect and all their problems are caused by men so you are a misandrist,

Dont accuse me of justifying bad language or behavior right on my first post is made it clear that I don’t approve of it.

I have never said, nor will I ever say all women are perfect

This thread is about one man and his vulgar comments towards a woman.

Your attempt at deflection will not work.

David49

Your own son’s grandsons are exactly the same when they get together, that’s the way it is. I have to say behavior has got worse in recent years because so many young women don’t want long term relationships, concentrating on careers. Couples that pair up and settle down gets later and later, so it’s a casual sex and no commitment, the men gather in lads groups, drinking or taking drugs.

I thoroughly disagree with what I see happening but that’s what I see around me.

I have to say behavior has got worse in recent years because so many young women don’t want long term relationships, concentrating on careers.

... yes - this kind of behaviour is obviously women's fault.

@David49
Don't be an apologist for misogynistic attitudes, and certainly don't blame the way women behave. It smacks of the 'she was asking for it' excuse. Women are enjoying the freedom to have careers and not settle down if they don't think it is necessary, they have a lot of catching up to do, for millenia they were not permitted to do this. Men who behave badly are responsible for their own actions and have to bear the consequences because their day of having a 'free pass' are coming to an end.

For the record I'm a broad minded person, and worldly, coming into contact with and talking to different groups of people in different situations. Seen, experienced and heard a lot.

Just saying there is a line. In general the public know when that line has been crossed. There have to be standards in the world and we have to set them or descend to the level of these unattractive, sad men.

It’s not a deflection, just that it is not unusual amongst men the behave in that way, if you don’t realize that I can assure you most young women do.
The 98% of the men you work with I’m sure behave in your company at other times you have no idea what happens.

I don't think you're misogynistic David49, what you wrote was interesting. & just because young men don't follow Andrew Tate, doesn't mean they don't talk with their mates using terms like spit roast when they're in a group of lads.

Andrew Tate is despicable.

You weren't blaming women, we're in a society now where to bring up children you usually need two incomes & of course women want to get their careers established before they have a family. But inevitably that means casual sex & young men socialising together at an age where their grandparents would have been family men.

Andrew Tate is despicable.

I really don’t follow why a woman having a career and not wanting a serious relationship makes a man behave badly towards her. It’s nothing to do with him hiw she chooses to live her life surely?

I find it a total non sequitur.

Lathyrus3

I really don’t follow why a woman having a career and not wanting a serious relationship makes a man behave badly towards her. It’s nothing to do with him hiw she chooses to live her life surely?

I find it a total non sequitur.

It’s not that he behaves badly, but when couples form relationships they socialize together and with other couples, single men gather in groups separately, bad behavior and unpleasant banter is the norm.

David49 I and my friends are married not joined at the hip!

Of course we socialise together, but we also socialise apart with our friends. Including weekends away and holidays.

I've worked in male dominated places most of my life. I've worked for stockbrokers, architects, in the charity sector and on occasion served behind a bar. So a wide demographic. I can assure you that in my experience more men are capable of groping and/or making suggestive comments than not. The worst are the "happily married" variety. Talking sweetly on the phone one minute to their wives like butter wouldn't melt and the next minute trying in on with the 16 year old office junior, or making crude comments about her body. If only their wives knew but they'd probably laugh in your face if you told them.

GrannyGravy13

David49 I and my friends are married not joined at the hip!

Of course we socialise together, but we also socialise apart with our friends. Including weekends away and holidays.

As most couple do, for although it’s not unusual for married men to have night out with the lads when a lot happens that does not get known. Also girls night out is not always as innocent as it seems.

Getting back to the OP there are consequences for celebrities who cross the line, others get away scot free, there are no sanctions.

I don’t see why women can’t have both a career and a long-term relationship. Many women do, as do many men. They aren’t mutually exclusive.

I doubt if any woman on here is unaware that some men behave differently when they’re in a group of men, but most of them have respect enough for women to behave decently when in mixed company. I really can’t see what women’s career aspirations have to do with it.

David49

Lathyrus3

I really don’t follow why a woman having a career and not wanting a serious relationship makes a man behave badly towards her. It’s nothing to do with him hiw she chooses to live her life surely?

I find it a total non sequitur.

It’s not that he behaves badly, but when couples form relationships they socialize together and with other couples, single men gather in groups separately, bad behavior and unpleasant banter is the norm.

Wynne Evans was married for 16 years (and has now "found love" with a new girlfriend).

Perhaps he didn't socialise often enough with his wife and other couples?

Are you really suggesting that it's only single men who indulge in this kind of sleazy 'banter'.

As I mentioned above, my late ex who was a Lighterman in an almost exclusive male environment back in the 60s would confirm that many of the men who bantered about women in this sleazy and vulgar way were married men.

It's ignorance and misogyny and alpha-male-immaturity, and it's not exclusive to single men. As Wynne Evans has highlighted with his stupidity.

You missed my comment that when men who are in a relationship socialize separately you never know what happens, the golf club or fishing club are probably innocent enough a night at the pub(s) could be anything.

but this isn't about men socialising separately is it, it's about a man making a very inappropriate comment about a woman during a work related photo shoot where the woman was present.