What is it with men? Some men, perhaps, but TOO MANY

What is said in the locker room is not for repeating in mixed company, however in the bar late at night the language can get quite loose, any women there tolerate it or leave.

Years ago when I did play rugby I had a couple of pints after the match then out for the evening elsewhere

Not sure if locker room banter is that low.

My lot are usually more concerned about what is going on on the field of play, or how other teams are doing.

Not all sports men objectify women in such a derogatory way, and it’s demeaning to the good ones to insinuate this.

David49

What is said in the locker room is not for repeating in mixed company, however in the bar late at night the language can get quite loose, any women there tolerate it or leave.

Years ago when I did play rugby I had a couple of pints after the match then out for the evening elsewhere

Women shouldn’t have to tolerate it !

It’s just wrong on every level to debase women in public, a few beers after the match is not an excuse!

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I looked it up on Urban Dictionary when I heard it.

Not a good idea, you would be better off, as we all would, sticking to Book Club choices!

What is said in the locker room is not for repeating in mixed company, however in the bar late at night the language can get quite loose, any women there tolerate it or leave

Why should anybody have to tolerate crude, pornographic, misogynistic language or leave
A bar is a public place and just as racist or anti- religious (eg anti-Semitic) language is unacceptable - so is this.

Just to say that my DH is offended by the sentence "What is it with men?" I'd never heard the term "spit roast" before and had to Google it. DH has never heard of it either and was disgusted once he knew the meaning. He has asked me to mention that he is personally affronted every time he is denounced by people effectively accusing him of the worst kind of human behaviour simply because he's a man. On my own account, this is not what I burned my bra for all those years ago. Equality is NOT about women aiming inaccurate and often biased accusations at men. Women's independence has been very hard won, and it's not over yet; nor will it be over until we stop encouraging each other to behave towards men in the very ways that certain men encourage each other to behave towards us. Thanks (on DH's behalf also) for reading this.

David49

What is said in the locker room is not for repeating in mixed company, however in the bar late at night the language can get quite loose, any women there tolerate it or leave.

Years ago when I did play rugby I had a couple of pints after the match then out for the evening elsewhere

I can't believe I've just read this.

It's 2025 - and I thought dinosaurs were extinct.

Glad I never met those men David49

I had to look it up, too. 🤮
I’ve never watched Strictly, so didn’t know who the bloke was until someone said he was the ‘opera singer’ from the ads.
I’d always thought he seems like a good sort, too.
Very disillusioning!
As for his ‘mental health’, if he’s gone into a major depression, it’s IMO no more than the pillock deserves.

Don't know what it means either. Must have led a sheltered life then.

David49

What is said in the locker room is not for repeating in mixed company, however in the bar late at night the language can get quite loose, any women there tolerate it or leave.

Years ago when I did play rugby I had a couple of pints after the match then out for the evening elsewhere

Patronising load of old bollocks, so outmoded in that "not in front of the laydees" sort of way, that men use as an excuse to be as boorish and sexist as they like. There's something about that state of mind that makes me feel, these are men who don't like women.

Not a term in my lexicon but I can guess what it means.
Don't want to look it up.
I would not say this man was stupid or silly exactly.
That suggests an error due to carelessness or lack of effort.
Which suggests he should cover up what he really thinks more effectively.
Men need to challenge these attitudes whenever they hear them if they don't want to be thought part of the problem.

Well said TerriBull
Badly put David49

I’m fed up with complaints that criticising this kind of behaviour gets us accused of blaming all men. The reality is this kind of disgusting ‘banter’ is largely said by men in a deliberate attempt to offend diminish and humiliate women
Hence the question ‘what is it with men’
At least one woman each week is murdered by a man, often an abusive man she’s trying to separate from
I’ll sit back now and wait for someone to remind me women can also be aggressive

welbecj 👏👏👏👏

mum2three

Is it only men who have a problem attracting women who make this sort of remark?

I think that's probably more than the half of it. He comes across as an odious 'little man'. In life, we've probably all experienced the loud mouth, the eternal joke-teller, the one who attempts to turn every conversation to something sexual and clearly tries to convince anyone in earshot that he's such a guy!!!!

The usual reason for all the nonsense is that he's a bit of a loner, a nobody, not the person who mixes comfortably with women or is respectful and instinctively knows how to behave in company. He's normally the guy who is not 'getting any' - and that's how people will describe him. All the seedy tales in the world won't convince anyone that he's quite the Casanova. But he's just too daft to see that.

Evans was/is a trained Opera singer. Never going to be one of the 3 Tenors, or even Alfie Boe, but nevertheless that was what he did. Then, his head and maybe his wallet was turned by doing a (very infuriating) ad for an insurance company, which had him recognised everywhere he went. IMHO he's not unlike the irritating guy he was portraying.

His Wife divorced him. He fell into a depression. He was hugely overweight and at some stage considered suicide.
But counselling and medication and exercise allowed him to get a handle on life once again, he has said. His Opera-singing days seemed to be on the slide but he lost over 7 stones in weight, and learned to ballroom dance for Strictly. There have been too many unattractive and half-naked photographs of him (like Gregg Wallace) illustrating his weight loss, but his attitude constantly shows that he thinks he can do/say whatever he likes. No person with any common sense would behave as he has done recently.

He's the joker, the one who has to take centre stage. His attitude towards his dancing partner wasn't terribly respectful but she stuck up for him and he was given another chance. Then he feels the need to use very unpleasant language in front of not only his fellow dancers but also in front of the Husband of Janette Manrara, the target of his obscene remarks! Seriously ?

Again, nobody there was impressed. Maybe they're getting used to the sort of guy who has to get you involved in buttock-clenching moments, no filter, not able to know when he needs to just shut up and calm down.

For their own sakes, it seems the BBC has woken up and given him the push. There'll always be people like him, who behave really badly, and for whom a tiny bit of 'celebrity' is like a drug.

On telly, however, he can be turned off, although it won't be long before someone else may appear looking for their 15 minutes of notoriety.

Grans here would surely be most unlikely to be married to guys like him. We're hopefully too discerning and sensible for that. So, nobody needs to feel proud that their husbands or partners aren't like that. And most adult men really aren't - or if they are they're not likely to be reckless enough to risk ending up on their own by such ridiculously offensive displays in public.

This guy has probably trashed all opportunity of more work on t.v., ...it's happened to bigger fish than him. And I can't imagine what his Daughter must think of him.......

GrannyGravy13

David49

What is said in the locker room is not for repeating in mixed company, however in the bar late at night the language can get quite loose, any women there tolerate it or leave.

Years ago when I did play rugby I had a couple of pints after the match then out for the evening elsewhere

Women shouldn’t have to tolerate it !

It’s just wrong on every level to debase women in public, a few beers after the match is not an excuse!

Hear, hear!

I do wonder how these men would feel if it were their wives or daughters being talked about in this demeaning way - would they be happy to listen to them being referred to like that?

My late ex was a Lighterman and used to work with other Lightermen and Dockers and he told me that sometimes the way these men talked about women used to make him cringe. He wasn't a simpering goody-goody (men who try not to offend women are sometimes called simps by misogynists), he simply respected the womenfolk in his family. And he wasn't alone either, there are men in this sort of environment who don't like this kind of 'banter' and don't take part in it. I don't think they feel their masculinity has been dented by not taking part either...

I think men like Wynne Evans maybe need to grow up. Apart from the offensive nature of the comment, it's so immature.

He is made a lot of in Wales. Can’t think why.

JamesandJon33

He is made a lot of in Wales. Can’t think why.

Is he? I live in Wales, but I didn’t know who he was other than being the Go Compare man until Strictly was on. I must be losing it.

Perhaps it’s South Wales then . Programmes like ‘Wynne and Joanna, All at Sea. BBC
Lots of Radio
Compare at Brangwyn Hall. Swansea . Etc.

Compère sorry

Your own son’s grandsons are exactly the same when they get together, that’s the way it is. I have to say behavior has got worse in recent years because so many young women don’t want long term relationships, concentrating on careers. Couples that pair up and settle down gets later and later, so it’s a casual sex and no commitment, the men gather in lads groups, drinking or taking drugs.

I thoroughly disagree with what I see happening but that’s what I see around me.

Yes I knew what it was
He’s disgusting !

So this sort of puts a different light on the poor woman from strictly who had to say oh we were only joking, I wasnt really pushing his hand off me. I at the time did wonder if she had been forced to say that.

Well said, Grandmafrench; it is also notable that the perpetrators are particularly unattractive - perhaps that is part of the problem?

Unfortunately I think lechy men come in all shapes, sizes and degrees of looks. I’d bet we’ve all come across them.