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What is it with men? Some men, perhaps, but TOO MANY

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RosiesMaw2 Mon 27-Jan-25 23:16:58

Wynne Evans has stepped away from his BBC radio programme after making an “inappropriate and unacceptable” remark towards a Strictly Come Dancing presenter
Evans, the opera singer and star of the Go Compare adverts, was caught on camera appearing to use the term “spit roast” in reference to Janette Manrara, who is hosting the Strictly live tour.
The incident happened during a photocall for the tour in Birmingham, as Ms Manrara stood between Evans and Jamie Borthwick, another Strictly contestant. Borthwick did not take part in the exchange
I am proud to say it would not have occurred to DH or indeed any men in my family to use that sort of language.
D1 and GD (10) went to the Strictly Live show 10 days ago, with friends, also with a 10 year old daughter.
GD loved it but if she had caught any of the interview what on earth could we have said to her?

Dickens Tue 28-Jan-25 19:34:28

David49

Your own son’s grandsons are exactly the same when they get together, that’s the way it is. I have to say behavior has got worse in recent years because so many young women don’t want long term relationships, concentrating on careers. Couples that pair up and settle down gets later and later, so it’s a casual sex and no commitment, the men gather in lads groups, drinking or taking drugs.

I thoroughly disagree with what I see happening but that’s what I see around me.

I have to say behavior has got worse in recent years because so many young women don’t want long term relationships, concentrating on careers.

... yes - this kind of behaviour is obviously women's fault. hmm

GrannyGravy13 Tue 28-Jan-25 19:33:27

I have never said, nor will I ever say all women are perfect

This thread is about one man and his vulgar comments towards a woman.

Your attempt at deflection will not work.

David49 Tue 28-Jan-25 19:30:42

GrannyGravy13

David49 the only blinkers I have are what I used training our horses.

I work in an environment which is 98% male.

I will not accept your perverted version of acceptability, not now, not tomorrow, never!

So all women’s are perfect and all their problems are caused by men so you are a misandrist,

Dont accuse me of justifying bad language or behavior right on my first post is made it clear that I don’t approve of it.

bluebird243 Tue 28-Jan-25 19:25:49

Newly made 'celebrities' who are only well known through being seen on a screen not for any talent usually...certain personalities often quickly get inflated ego's.

They think everyone loves them and they can be as outrageous as they like, that they are amusing their hoards of fans by how 'cutting edge, current and 'out there' they are. They then think they are untouchable and too important to be called to account.

It's just who they really are coming out. Thank God not all men, or celebrities, are like this. These personalities are deeply unpleasant and unfortunately influence their fans. Or as in this case people are disgusted and peel away.

Btw I've been struck by [for example] Lee Mack has become more smutty/very near the mark with his comments/attempts to be funny when talking to individuals in the audience on The 1% Club. I'm sure he is very 'edgy' in his shows off the TV but TV requires a different type of content. It's not going down well with me anyway...I've lost respect.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 28-Jan-25 19:25:14

David49 the only blinkers I have are what I used training our horses.

I work in an environment which is 98% male.

I will not accept your perverted version of acceptability, not now, not tomorrow, never!

David49 Tue 28-Jan-25 19:19:21

GrannyGravy13

David49 we have four sons, five grandsons (two of which are mid teens)

They all have banter but find the likes of the Tate brothers and their attitude towards women disgusting.

Please do not excuse these men (dinosaurs)

I find your post condescending at best, grossly misogynistic at worst.

I dislike what’s happening as much as you do but that’s what is happening. It’s not women’s fault it’s mens reaction to their independance

I’m no more misogynistic than many on this site are misandrist, take your blinkers off and see what is really happening in the real world

Iam64 Tue 28-Jan-25 19:16:04

GrannyGravy13

David49 we have four sons, five grandsons (two of which are mid teens)

They all have banter but find the likes of the Tate brothers and their attitude towards women disgusting.

Please do not excuse these men (dinosaurs)

I find your post condescending at best, grossly misogynistic at worst.

Thank you GrannyGravy. I have two adult sons-in-law, 2 adult grandsons and numerous friends who are the young - middle aged grandsons, sons, friends of ours. Not one of them would dream of behaving / speaking in the way you describe
I’m shocked that you slide so easily into blaming women for the awful abusive behaviour of men

woodenspoon Tue 28-Jan-25 19:08:05

He is a stupid silly man who has ruined his career. He should have stuck to adverts. Nevertheless it’s good to see and hear what these individuals are really like. On what level he thought it acceptable, only he knows. Mental health is a cop out.

Granmarderby10 Tue 28-Jan-25 19:04:21

Uh-oh! Another one bites the dust…..and yes they are often as not quite unattractive themselves…
… (or am I being looksist ? )

Auntieflo Tue 28-Jan-25 18:54:55

James and John, I was just about to say that last night, I saw part of a programme with Wynne and Joanna, All at Sea, and seeing all the press coverage, I am surprised that it was still broadcast.
What a nasty little man, and even though Joanna was laughing, I wonder how uncomfortable she felt presenting the programme with him?

GrannyGravy13 Tue 28-Jan-25 18:50:53

David49 we have four sons, five grandsons (two of which are mid teens)

They all have banter but find the likes of the Tate brothers and their attitude towards women disgusting.

Please do not excuse these men (dinosaurs)

I find your post condescending at best, grossly misogynistic at worst.

ferry23 Tue 28-Jan-25 18:27:30

David49

Your own son’s grandsons are exactly the same when they get together, that’s the way it is. I have to say behavior has got worse in recent years because so many young women don’t want long term relationships, concentrating on careers. Couples that pair up and settle down gets later and later, so it’s a casual sex and no commitment, the men gather in lads groups, drinking or taking drugs.

I thoroughly disagree with what I see happening but that’s what I see around me.

..because so many young women don't want long term relationships, concentrating on careers.

Oh, I see, it's the WOMEN'S fault.

I think not.

I wouldn't be digging that hole any deeper if I were you.

Casdon Tue 28-Jan-25 18:25:11

Unfortunately I think lechy men come in all shapes, sizes and degrees of looks. I’d bet we’ve all come across them.

GrannySomerset Tue 28-Jan-25 18:20:45

Well said, Grandmafrench; it is also notable that the perpetrators are particularly unattractive - perhaps that is part of the problem?

Galaxy Tue 28-Jan-25 18:19:00

So this sort of puts a different light on the poor woman from strictly who had to say oh we were only joking, I wasnt really pushing his hand off me. I at the time did wonder if she had been forced to say that.

HeavenLeigh Tue 28-Jan-25 18:11:08

Yes I knew what it was
He’s disgusting !

David49 Tue 28-Jan-25 18:07:26

Your own son’s grandsons are exactly the same when they get together, that’s the way it is. I have to say behavior has got worse in recent years because so many young women don’t want long term relationships, concentrating on careers. Couples that pair up and settle down gets later and later, so it’s a casual sex and no commitment, the men gather in lads groups, drinking or taking drugs.

I thoroughly disagree with what I see happening but that’s what I see around me.

JamesandJon33 Tue 28-Jan-25 17:43:02

Compère sorry

JamesandJon33 Tue 28-Jan-25 17:41:46

Perhaps it’s South Wales then . Programmes like ‘Wynne and Joanna, All at Sea. BBC
Lots of Radio
Compare at Brangwyn Hall. Swansea . Etc.

Casdon Tue 28-Jan-25 17:32:38

JamesandJon33

He is made a lot of in Wales. Can’t think why.

Is he? I live in Wales, but I didn’t know who he was other than being the Go Compare man until Strictly was on. I must be losing it.

JamesandJon33 Tue 28-Jan-25 17:27:31

He is made a lot of in Wales. Can’t think why.

Dickens Tue 28-Jan-25 17:19:32

GrannyGravy13

David49

What is said in the locker room is not for repeating in mixed company, however in the bar late at night the language can get quite loose, any women there tolerate it or leave.

Years ago when I did play rugby I had a couple of pints after the match then out for the evening elsewhere

Women shouldn’t have to tolerate it !

It’s just wrong on every level to debase women in public, a few beers after the match is not an excuse!

Hear, hear!

I do wonder how these men would feel if it were their wives or daughters being talked about in this demeaning way - would they be happy to listen to them being referred to like that?

My late ex was a Lighterman and used to work with other Lightermen and Dockers and he told me that sometimes the way these men talked about women used to make him cringe. He wasn't a simpering goody-goody (men who try not to offend women are sometimes called simps by misogynists), he simply respected the womenfolk in his family. And he wasn't alone either, there are men in this sort of environment who don't like this kind of 'banter' and don't take part in it. I don't think they feel their masculinity has been dented by not taking part either...

I think men like Wynne Evans maybe need to grow up. Apart from the offensive nature of the comment, it's so immature.

Grandmafrench Tue 28-Jan-25 17:16:15

mum2three

Is it only men who have a problem attracting women who make this sort of remark?

I think that's probably more than the half of it. He comes across as an odious 'little man'. In life, we've probably all experienced the loud mouth, the eternal joke-teller, the one who attempts to turn every conversation to something sexual and clearly tries to convince anyone in earshot that he's such a guy!!!!

The usual reason for all the nonsense is that he's a bit of a loner, a nobody, not the person who mixes comfortably with women or is respectful and instinctively knows how to behave in company. He's normally the guy who is not 'getting any' - and that's how people will describe him. All the seedy tales in the world won't convince anyone that he's quite the Casanova. But he's just too daft to see that.

Evans was/is a trained Opera singer. Never going to be one of the 3 Tenors, or even Alfie Boe, but nevertheless that was what he did. Then, his head and maybe his wallet was turned by doing a (very infuriating) ad for an insurance company, which had him recognised everywhere he went. IMHO he's not unlike the irritating guy he was portraying.

His Wife divorced him. He fell into a depression. He was hugely overweight and at some stage considered suicide.
But counselling and medication and exercise allowed him to get a handle on life once again, he has said. His Opera-singing days seemed to be on the slide but he lost over 7 stones in weight, and learned to ballroom dance for Strictly. There have been too many unattractive and half-naked photographs of him (like Gregg Wallace) illustrating his weight loss, but his attitude constantly shows that he thinks he can do/say whatever he likes. No person with any common sense would behave as he has done recently.

He's the joker, the one who has to take centre stage. His attitude towards his dancing partner wasn't terribly respectful but she stuck up for him and he was given another chance. Then he feels the need to use very unpleasant language in front of not only his fellow dancers but also in front of the Husband of Janette Manrara, the target of his obscene remarks! Seriously ?

Again, nobody there was impressed. Maybe they're getting used to the sort of guy who has to get you involved in buttock-clenching moments, no filter, not able to know when he needs to just shut up and calm down.

For their own sakes, it seems the BBC has woken up and given him the push. There'll always be people like him, who behave really badly, and for whom a tiny bit of 'celebrity' is like a drug.

On telly, however, he can be turned off, although it won't be long before someone else may appear looking for their 15 minutes of notoriety.

Grans here would surely be most unlikely to be married to guys like him. We're hopefully too discerning and sensible for that. So, nobody needs to feel proud that their husbands or partners aren't like that. And most adult men really aren't - or if they are they're not likely to be reckless enough to risk ending up on their own by such ridiculously offensive displays in public.

This guy has probably trashed all opportunity of more work on t.v., ...it's happened to bigger fish than him. And I can't imagine what his Daughter must think of him.......

Iam64 Tue 28-Jan-25 16:22:12

welbecj 👏👏👏👏

Iam64 Tue 28-Jan-25 16:21:30

Well said TerriBull
Badly put David49

I’m fed up with complaints that criticising this kind of behaviour gets us accused of blaming all men. The reality is this kind of disgusting ‘banter’ is largely said by men in a deliberate attempt to offend diminish and humiliate women
Hence the question ‘what is it with men’
At least one woman each week is murdered by a man, often an abusive man she’s trying to separate from
I’ll sit back now and wait for someone to remind me women can also be aggressive