Where is the celebration?

Well Trump is not . If someone is going to without good sense support him then I don’t need to support it with false politeness . He is now destroying the USA , its laws and constitutions to have someone praise him for this and wish the same for the UK ???

Syracute

Well Trump is not . If someone is going to without good sense support him then I don’t need to support it with false politeness . He is now destroying the USA , its laws and constitutions to have someone praise him for this and wish the same for the UK ???

?????????? Are you OK Syracute? I really can't make sense of this post.

And yet Germany has had two years of economic stagnation and profits at Deutschebank have fallen 92% apparently. Why would The UK want to rejoin?

The guidelines of the site are not personal attacks are fine if someone holds an opinion I disagree with.

The people voted but the government refused to accept the result. This is where the problem lies.
'Brexit' was not a mistake in itself. Great Britain needs to be an independent country, managing its own affairs. Successive governments are still quite happy to be dictated to.
We are still part of the European community and always will be.

GrannyGravy13

FriedGreenTomatoes2

“Here we go round the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush …” 🎵 🎶

It’s rather like being on a hamster wheel 🐹

I dont normally join in with it all.

In fact, I dont even read many Political threads on here any more.

But the idea that people who voted Brexit are
a. supposed to remember the exact date

b. "celebrate it"

c. essentially crow about it

Well! I thought it was worth mentioning.

Rather shows how far apart in how people think, we all are.
All quite ludicrous.

I presume that is what Remain would have done. Celebrate!

Shows how different people are.
And more concerning, how certain people think other people would behave. And get it all so badly wrong.

Rosie51

MaizieD

Galaxy

I am not sure you can decide to leave niceties at the door. Well you can I suppose, but this site has a range of rules, one being no personal attacks.

It could be that FGT will only begin to understand how deeply offensive and hurtful Trump’s pronouncements about the various groups in society which he denigrates are if she is on the receiving end of similar treatment.

At least she has the mids to turn to for protection. Which is more than Trump’s victims have.

I don't agree with FGT's political stance at all, but I'm appalled at the acceptance that she's the victim of pile-ons and insults.
^ if she is on the receiving end of similar treatment.^
How low and vile can you fall to condone and even encourage such treatment of another poster? The false equivalence is dreadful!

There is culpability on both sides. Posting nursery rhymes to taunt people you disagree with is not exemplary behaviour either. I never agree with personal attacks, but our criticism should be even handed.

I am not really interested in the taunts on both sides I was interested in the idea that niceties can be left at the door and how that fits with the rules of the site. I am not in favour of control of speech but I dont run the site.

I voted remain, in a half hearted sort of way, sympathising with some of the arguments from the leave side. I think the roll out was all wrong, surely we should have been in line with the rest of Europe as to free movement, but no the government of the day, had to be right up the front in jumping right in at the deep end, with the fatuous "we're expecting 13,000 or so to arrive here" utter buffoonery and so disingenuous Didn't such heavyweights in the Labour party of yesteryear, voice their opposition to closer integration with Europe, most notably Michael Foot, Tony Benn and latterly Jeremy Corbyn, until he said he didn't. Wasn't their stance, "it would disadvantage our own workforce" and didn't that just happen with tradespeople's wages being undercut and the stagnation of pay in some industries. That's not to say we don't need shared expertise in research programmes and immigrants with skills that are required, which is probably a reason I did vote remain. It was old Tory Ted Heath who was one of the earlier railroaders of closer European ties. In any event, out of touch smug faced Cameron thought he had it in the bag as far as the Remain vote was concerned, but that's politicians of that ilk for you, as out of touch and couldn't care less about beleaguered communities, perhaps if he'd got himself up to areas that had been swamped like Boston, Lincs occasionally instead of swanning around the Cotswolds he might have had a more accurate idea of the mood of some of the areas more disadvantaged by mass migration.

Isn't one of the reasons as to why Brexit has been a failure is the obstruction by the "blob" Civil Service and other individuals behind the scenes as to the implementation?

Moving on to right now, the whole landscape of Europe has changed in how its moved to the right, German's elections are imminent, its economy is in the doldrums and appear to have an increasingly disaffected electorate, but then again that's pretty much the same around the free world.

I can't help feeling these interminable rages against Brexit are almost like the divisions illustrated in another thread right now, the intolerance along sectarian lines, at worst a real hatred based on different beliefs, experiences and perceptions with a no holds barred in smearing everyone who voted for Brexit as "thickos" who were duped by a feckin' message on the side of a bus. .

We’ve all got different ideas about what constitutes niceties I suspect Galaxy. To my mind, and I may stand alone, I think robust discussion is fine, defending your point strongly is fine, but casting aspersions about, or directly or indirectly personally attacking other people is not.

Excellent post TerriBull.

Yes the left, of the Corbyn ilk, have traditionally been opposed to the EU. I voted Remain, I am not sure I would do that again.
I think looking back Brexit was the first indicator of the working class trying desperately to take back the institutions that had been so fundamentally taken over by the middle classes.

My perception too Galaxy

Good post TerriBull

What always seems to be missing is the realisation that the
”thickos" who were duped by a feckin' message on the side of a bus” should include all those who were either so confident that Remain would win
that they didn’t bother to vote.

TerriBull
In a nutshell 👏👏👏👏👏
If I might say: not a post written by a hairy knuckled Neanderthal as some described us who voted to leave.

Agree with TerriBull
I’m pretty sure that people who start threads like this on social media are doing it with one aim only.
To continue causing hate & division.

Kandinsky

Agree with TerriBull
I’m pretty sure that people who start threads like this on social media are doing it with one aim only.
To continue causing hate & division.

‘Hate and division’ isn’t going to disappear by shutting one’s eyes to the cause of it.

Kandinsky
Agree with TerriBull
I’m pretty sure that people who start threads like this on social media are doing it with one aim only.
To continue causing hate & division.

MaizieD
‘Hate and division’ isn’t going to disappear by shutting one’s eyes to the cause of it.

Hate and division isn’t going to disappear by continuing it either.

Exactly Mollygo. Hate and division isn’t going to disappear by continuing it either

I voted remain, and was bitterly disappointed that the country voted to leave, but that's democracy. I don't know what those who berate the leave voters want. Do they want them to beg forgiveness, self flagellate, wear sackcloth and ashes.......would even that satisfy their lust for some sort of revenge?

I voted to leave. I am neither a "thicko", nor "deranged", nor uneducated, nor working class.

I listened carefully to politicians, (far more erudite and knowledgeable than people on this thread), who argued to leave.
We had also lived abroad many years, and we had seen first hand how laws were made without the common interest at heart. Often they were not adhered to anyway.
Members of our family would have been more than happy to vote remain if we could have had a Federal Europe.

Very seriously though, my life has seen no real difference since Brexit other than a few niggly formalities. The same for my children. Obviously I can't say whether things would have been better for any of us if we had remained, so to suggest any form of celebrating seems very shallow. I can't remember which famous writer it was, maybe Dickens, who spoke about going round the mulberry bush leading nowhere. These discussions usually only end up back at their starting place, any excuse to ridicule posters' choices, or worse still, to launch personal attacks.

I actually think that is what some of them they want yes.

They want revenge.

Well said, escaped.

My replies were to Rosie51 and this.

. Do they want them to beg forgiveness, self flagellate, wear sackcloth and ashes.......would even that satisfy their lust for some sort of revenge?

Didn’t see you there escaped
< waves >

MaizieD

Kandinsky

Agree with TerriBull
I’m pretty sure that people who start threads like this on social media are doing it with one aim only.
To continue causing hate & division.

‘Hate and division’ isn’t going to disappear by shutting one’s eyes to the cause of it.

Why not??

No need for hate and division.

And no need to cause it.

Agree to differ is the way to go.
Much more peace that way.