Still told to 'get over it, it's done.

GrannyGravy13

Allira

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Oh Clarkson!
You have to read right to the end to find out ….😶

One minute he's loathed on GN, the next he's a fount of wisdom 😀

Depends if you agree with what he is saying at the time I suppose 🤷‍♀️😹

Well, that did make me laugh 😂

Thanks MayBee70, Clarkson is such a brilliant ranter.
His programmes on farming were very entertaining and thought-provoking too, showing the problems farmers are encountering with political interference.

However, I thought the consensus of most Gransnetters on the left seemed to be that he is a loathsome misogynist to be avoided at all costs.

He was rather a luke-warm Remain voter, I thought.

Clarkson has previously declared being in favour of remain, saying it would be “better to stay in and try to make the damn thing work properly”.

The presenter also said he felt there were “compelling” reasons for leaving but added: “They’re not compelling enough for me to say I want to drive a Morris Oxford, which is what would happen.”
2016

he is a big mouthed maverick, I don't like him and often disagree with him. On this occasion, he is spot on. Same as Piers Morgan.

Not a single person here has been able to give a clear good effect of Brexit- not a single one that could not be immediately countered with fact (like the vaccine access nonsense). NOT ONE.

But the list of lies and disastrous effects is so long and getting longer by the day. So often here on GN, a thread will be started about the NHS, or about business, or about shortages of medicines or other stuff, or about the loss of Sterling values, or energy costs, and on, and on - and never accepting that Brexit is one of the major cause factors.

How do you 'get over' something - when we don't even know what it consists of, and its main supporters have changed their mind, or said stupid things like 'ah, it is very bad, but it wasn't done properly' à la Farage!

MayBee70

Oreo

I confess I didn’t reach the end of it Maybee70 it was just too much, in every way.
Why would it be cos you had posted this comment, I have no idea who you are beyond seeing your name now and then on this forum.
Seeing it’s by Clarkson makes sense of the OTT content.

Can't win really. Post a link and people say they don't like links. Post a whole article and people find them too long to read. Anyway, as you say you're a long time Labour voter I would have thought you would have agreed with Clarkson about this.

Why would you think that? Labour voters are all different, some voted to leave and some to remain.Clarkson is a bit like Boris, he says what suits him at the time.He may not always be wrong, even a stopped clock is right twice a day but I rarely agree with him.

Clarkson
“The presenter also said he felt there were “compelling” reasons for leaving but added: “They’re not compelling enough for me to say I want to drive a Morris Oxford, which is what would happen.”
2016

I’ve never thought of Clarkson as a prophet, but he was pretty close

Buried in a 19,800 word Spectator essay written by former online editor and Vote Leave director Dominic Cummings is an admission: The Brexit referendum was won by lying to the public.

The piece, found here, is well worth reading but also falls victim to classic mansplaining of a complex issue with many words wasted on prose that most politicians would be proud of, working around the subject rather than delving in to the heart of it.

Of course, that’s for a very good reason, because at the heart of the vote to leave the European Union is an entanglement of lies and propagandist sensationalism that even the most brave souls wouldn’t dare admit to.

There is the admission that the NHS wouldn’t really take back our £350 million EU fee, and that immigration wouldn’t really be capped, and that standards of living wouldn’t really change if we left the EU. All of which are matters that the general public voted on, and all are incorrect.

And so to the damning paragraph that outs the Leave Campaign for what it was:

Pundits and MPs kept saying ‘why isn’t Leave arguing about the economy and living standards’. They did not realise that for millions of people, £350m/NHS was about the economy and living standards – that’s why it was so effective. It was clearly the most effective argument not only with the crucial swing fifth but with almost every demographic. Even with UKIP voters it was level-pegging with immigration. Would we have won without immigration? No. Would we have won without £350m/NHS? All our research and the close result strongly suggests No. Would we have won by spending our time talking about trade and the Single Market? No way.
To casually admit that the NHS swung the vote is an admission that the Leave campaign won because they lied to the public, and few tweets better sum up the state that that leaves the rest of us in than this:

This is the really significant section of Clarkson’s rant.

But it's a billion times worse if you go there with a film crew. Because, today, you have to list everything you're taking and its value and its serial number. Every lens. Every cable. Every reflector. Every 4×4. Everything. And then, after you've spent several days doing all that, you pay a company thousands of pounds to put it all on a form, which is called a carnet.

This, and the 90day rule has seriously adversely affected those working in the entertainment industry who could previously come and go and work in the EU for extended periods when work was available. Apparently UK musicians were in demand in the EU until we became a 3rd country.

Once again, I am stunned by the indifference of Leave voters to the harm their vote did to people’s careers and livelihoods.

A lot of bands and musicians in the latter part of their careers used to tour Europe where they were still popular. Along with their roadies and sound people. We pointed out that leaving the EU would cause major problems but it was labelled(amongst many other things that were proved to be correct) project fear. I’d like to think that the people that ridicule some of us for still regretting the result of the vote, will have the decency to at least admit that the problems we foresaw have actually come to fruition.

“Leaving the EU was a disaster for this country. The Brexiters, when you talk to them, they accept it hasn't gone well, then they say we didn't do it the right way."
— Greg Dyke, former Director-General of the BBC
Ah yes, Brexit—the political equivalent of setting your house on fire and then blaming the fire brigade for using the wrong hose. Greg Dyke hits the nail on the head here. Even the most devout Brexiters are now reluctantly mumbling, “Well, it’s not quite what we expected…” before quickly pivoting to the classic excuse: “We just didn’t do it properly.”
This is the same logic as saying a parachute jump was a great idea, except for the tiny detail that you forgot the parachute.
Of course, the real problem isn’t that Brexit was done incorrectly. It’s that Brexit was sold on a fantasy—one where we’d be swimming in NHS money, the economy would boom, and we’d all have sovereignty for breakfast. Instead, we got supply chain chaos, worker shortages, and a government that treats every crisis like a surprise party they weren’t invited to.
At this point, the only thing Brexiters are “taking back control” of is their ability to pretend this was all part of some grand master plan. Maybe, just maybe, it's time to admit that the "right way" to do Brexit... was not to do it at all.”

“Even the most devout Brexiters are now reluctantly mumbling, “Well, it’s not quite what we expected…” before quickly pivoting to the classic excuse: “We just didn’t do it properly.””

Only a fool would believe that, we were never going to have any control, you don’t have an acrimonious break up then expect special treatment. It’s their way or the highway.

Claremont

And yet only 11 - yes, ELEVEN percent, believe it was a success. And only 24% of Reform. That is just staggering, but not surprising.

Why on earth should we 'get over it'?

Dwelling on the past stops living in the present.

True. And maybe the rest of us would prefer to be left in peace without these anti-Brexit rants.

Norah

Claremont

And yet only 11 - yes, ELEVEN percent, believe it was a success. And only 24% of Reform. That is just staggering, but not surprising.

Why on earth should we 'get over it'?

Dwelling on the past stops living in the present.

Many people campaigned to leave the EU for decades.

"Dwelling on the past stops living in the present."

Forgetting or ignoring the past means you make the same mistakes over and over again.

I’d vote for Brexit again. 🇬🇧

QED

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I’d vote for Brexit again. 🇬🇧

I most certainly wouldn't.. it's been a disaster

Forgetting or ignoring the past means you make the same mistakes over and over again

But learning from those mistakes is what matters .

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I’d vote for Brexit again. 🇬🇧

Me too, I feel even more certain now that it was the right way to vote.

BevSec

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I’d vote for Brexit again. 🇬🇧

Me too, I feel even more certain now that it was the right way to vote.

Each to their own. The polls suggest that you would be in an increasingly minority group now though. In the light of that, you’re going to be swallowing compromises you don’t want to happen, as we seek to improve our relationships with Europe.

Of course Casdon. Starmer wants closer ties. It was bound to happen with him. I’m a pragmatist.

Casdon

BevSec

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I’d vote for Brexit again. 🇬🇧

Me too, I feel even more certain now that it was the right way to vote.

Each to their own. The polls suggest that you would be in an increasingly minority group now though. In the light of that, you’re going to be swallowing compromises you don’t want to happen, as we seek to improve our relationships with Europe.

Yes, although I have read that the Government has no appetite for rejoining, I believe Peter Mandleson has confirmed this.

BevSec

Casdon

BevSec

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I’d vote for Brexit again. 🇬🇧

Me too, I feel even more certain now that it was the right way to vote.

Each to their own. The polls suggest that you would be in an increasingly minority group now though. In the light of that, you’re going to be swallowing compromises you don’t want to happen, as we seek to improve our relationships with Europe.

Yes, although I have read that the Government has no appetite for rejoining, I believe Peter Mandleson has confirmed this.

I think what they will do is reintroduce EU standards into the UK to enable trading between the UK and the EU, and become more aligned again. Rejoining is not on the cards in the current government term.

Brexit continues to prove to be a disaster. I still cannot find ONE benefit.

There are some battles not worth fighting but it's not in my nature to give up on something I wholeheartedly believe in - and have all my life. I will continue fighting for Europe in whatever way I can. My rollator is at the ready for the next march! There is no way that our country has been "great" for a very long time, and it's going even faster downhill.

Farage is a nightmare I hope I never see.

My wise aunt was a policewoman during the second world war and lived long enough to see Brexit 'done'.

She voted Remain. She worried that the union helped ensure peace in Europe and also provided some checks and balances on the worst excesses of any leaders/countries with nefarious intentions.

Given what we're seeing Trump get up to and, if looking at Farages allies and intentions I often think of my dear old aunt.