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Still told to 'get over it, it's done.

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Claremont Sun 02-Feb-25 20:05:54

And yet only 11 - yes, ELEVEN percent, believe it was a success. And only 24% of Reform. That is just staggering, but not surprising.

Why on earth should we 'get over it'?

Oreo Sat 22-Mar-25 11:28:44

Certainly in the past, the West Country was strongly Lib Dem.and Liberal wasn’t it? Not enough for a majority in Parliament tho.The two main parties still rule nationwide.

Casdon Sat 22-Mar-25 12:15:50

I can see political division by region in the future. I think there will be greater devolvement to regions too. I wouldn’t write any party off, particularly at the moment when things are so unstable.

Casdon Sat 22-Mar-25 12:16:52

…except SNP and Plaid, who I don’t think aspire to universal appeal!

Teazel2 Sat 22-Mar-25 12:25:57

I have much more attachment to the Commonwealth countries than to the EU.

Claremont Sat 22-Mar-25 12:30:07

well the history is very different. Did GB ever colonise European countries? Part of France for a while, a very long time ago. Did GB impose its language, culture and religion on European countries? No comparison,

varian Sat 22-Mar-25 13:18:42

Most people wouldn't vote Labour or Conservative either. We no longer live in a two party state. Enough people did vote LibDem to election 72 MPs.

MaizieD Sat 22-Mar-25 14:26:56

Claremont

well the history is very different. Did GB ever colonise European countries? Part of France for a while, a very long time ago. Did GB impose its language, culture and religion on European countries? No comparison,

I think the boot was on the other foot 'a long time ago'... grin Britain was colonised by Italians, Germanic tribes, Scandinavians and the Normans... Who all left their marks on our language and culture..

We are well and truly European... apart from the Celtic fringes...

Allira Sat 22-Mar-25 14:58:53

We're mongrels!
And the English language is an amalgam.

Welsh, of course, is one of the oldest European languages still spoken regularly and the oldest in Britain.

Mollygo Sat 22-Mar-25 15:43:01

MaizieD

I think the boot was on the other foot 'a long time ago'... grin Britain was colonised by Italians, Germanic tribes, Scandinavians and the Normans... Who all left their marks on our language and culture.

👏👏👏
The best response today!

GrannyGravy13 Sat 22-Mar-25 16:16:37

varian

Most people wouldn't vote Labour or Conservative either. We no longer live in a two party state. Enough people did vote LibDem to election 72 MPs.

Varian just googled how many voted overall that Lib Dem’s and reform got in 2024 GE

Liberal Democrat’s received 3,519,214 votes

Reform U.K. received 4,117,610 votes

Are you and the Lib Dem’s still in favour of proportional representation?

GrannyGravy13 Sat 22-Mar-25 16:17:21

votes not voted

MaizieD Sat 22-Mar-25 19:04:13

Allira

We're mongrels!
And the English language is an amalgam.

Welsh, of course, is one of the oldest European languages still spoken regularly and the oldest in Britain.

Welsh is interesting because it apparently still has traces of Roman latin in it. I don't think Latin lingered in any other British regions.

Allira Sat 22-Mar-25 19:44:51

MaizieD

Allira

We're mongrels!
And the English language is an amalgam.

Welsh, of course, is one of the oldest European languages still spoken regularly and the oldest in Britain.

Welsh is interesting because it apparently still has traces of Roman latin in it. I don't think Latin lingered in any other British regions.

Lots of English words have Latin origins but I think dialects are often Germanic based.

growstuff Sat 22-Mar-25 20:20:40

There are loads of vocabulary items from Latin in Old English. However, the grammar of Old English was inherited from ancient Germanic languages. Many core words, related to family, food and animals (for example), were also Germanic.

There is almost no sign of Britonnic in Old English, although it has been claimed that there are remnants of Britonnic grammar.

Claremont Sat 22-Mar-25 21:27:37

For our age group, and many warned about this at the time

''𝗕𝗥𝗘𝗫𝗜𝗧 𝗜𝗦 𝗖𝗔𝗨𝗦𝗜𝗡𝗚 𝗔 𝗦𝗘𝗩𝗘𝗥𝗘 𝗠𝗘𝗗𝗜𝗖𝗜𝗡𝗘𝗦 𝗦𝗛𝗢𝗥𝗧𝗔𝗚𝗘

The UK is grappling with its worst medicine shortage in four years, and the evidence points squarely at Brexit as a central cause.

In 2024 alone, drug companies reported 1,938 supply disruptions to the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) - a sharp rise from 1,634 in 2023.

The worst-hit medications include essential treatments for epilepsy and cystic fibrosis, leaving vulnerable patients at risk.
This disturbing trend has been highlighted by the Nuffield Trust health think tank, which obtained the data under freedom of information laws.

Their analysis reveals a grim reality: while medicine shortages are a global issue, the UK’s situation is deteriorating faster than that of other European nations due to Brexit.

The root of the problem is evident.
The UK’s import growth of medicines has been the lowest among G7 countries since 2010, with the total value of imports falling by almost 20% since 2015 - the year before the EU referendum.

The collapse of supply chains previously connected to the EU is undeniable. As HM Revenue and Customs data shows, this decline is sharply concentrated on imports from the EU, making Brexit-related trade barriers the most likely cause.
Furthermore, UK drug exports to the European Economic Area - the 27 EU states plus Norway, Iceland, and Liechtenstein - have plummeted by a third since the 2016 Brexit vote.
The EU is responding to supply challenges by strengthening its internal systems, sharing supplies, and increasing domestic production.

Meanwhile, the UK finds itself increasingly isolated.
Pharmacies are on the frontline of this crisis. A survey by the National Pharmacy Association found that all 500 of its respondents were unable to fulfil at least one prescription daily due to unavailable medications.

This leaves patients distressed and frustrated, while pharmacists struggle to provide safe alternatives despite having suitable options on hand.
The government’s response has been to claim investment of up to £520 million to bolster domestic production of medicines and diagnostics.

However, without seamless integration into European supply chains, these measures fall far short of what is needed.
The solution is simple: end the madness of Brexit.

Rejoining the EU would restore the vital medicine supply chains that have been so needlessly severed. Britain cannot afford to remain on this destructive path.''

Barleyfields Sat 22-Mar-25 21:30:38

Source?

Claremont Sat 22-Mar-25 21:37:42

Research compilation by Jon Danzig.

eu-rope.ideasoneurope.eu/.../brexit-is-causing-a.../
#Brexitcrisis #medicineshortage #rejointheEU #FixBrexit

Allira Sat 22-Mar-25 21:44:43

The EU’s endless drug shortage, its fragile supply chains and the bizarre crab connection
ING 2023

Despite a renewed focus on health in a post-pandemic world, the European Union is still suffering from critical medicine shortages.
This exposes a glaring inefficiency in the single market, but it also presents an opportunity. The bloc must become stronger, more resilient, and boost its public health systems.
The Parliament
February 2025

Medicines shortages have become a complex global issue, putting lives at risk and creating difficulties for health care professionals. There is evidence that these shortages are worsening with time and have been reported in countries of all income levels. They occur across all healthcare settings and involve essential life-saving medicines, very commonly used medicines and both high- and low-price medicines
FIP 2024 (International Pharmaceutical Association)

It seems to be an ongoing problem.

Barleyfields Sat 22-Mar-25 21:50:26

I see he writes a lot of anti-Brexit articles. Right up your street Claremont.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Sat 22-Mar-25 21:55:24

Another nugget Claremont. Grist to the mill for you. I think many of us can quote sources that confirm our own bias if we search for them.

Allira Sat 22-Mar-25 21:55:36

Jon Danzig
"I'm a journalist producing posts mostly against Brexit and for EU membership"

I prefer factual, unbiased information myself.

Barleyfields Sat 22-Mar-25 21:55:45

👍🏻

Mollygo Sat 22-Mar-25 21:56:21

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Another nugget Claremont. Grist to the mill for you. I think many of us can quote sources that confirm our own bias if we search for them.

Soooo true, whatever the subject.

Allira Sat 22-Mar-25 21:57:30

Mollygo

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Another nugget Claremont. Grist to the mill for you. I think many of us can quote sources that confirm our own bias if we search for them.

Soooo true, whatever the subject.

I told you all the Earth is flat.

I have proof.

Mollygo Sat 22-Mar-25 22:01:40

Allira
Your flat Earth needs this song.
🎶
Oh, I'm falling off the edge of the world
Think you're safe but you're wrong
^We are falling off the edge of the world^🎶