Still told to 'get over it, it's done.

Claremont

Allira

The figures show in the YouGov statisitics, even accepting a degree of inaccuracy - are quite staggering. ELEVEN percent- I am quite sure many here are actually surprised.

The figures are in my link above and 11% is just one of the figures.

yes, and 89% is the other! Both staggering, even is we allow for some degree of error.

We can all be pro-active in effecting change. As said, Hannan and others did categorically say we would NOT leave the Customs Union. nor the Single Market (he said, no-one, but no-one is even thinking of leaving either)- don't you remember?

So many lies, so mcuh deceipt, and so little preparation and planning. We need to do better for the UK, and allowing Trump to walk all over us is certainly NOT going to ensure UK Sovereignty.

And another figure from the survey:

55% of Britons now say it was wrong for the UK to leave the EU, with just 11% seeing Brexit as more of a success than a failure
Not all Britons, of course, only the couple of thousand who were polled.

Of those who voted:

One in six Leave voters (18%) now say that it was wrong for Britain to choose to leave the EU, although 66% still say Britain made the right decision.
By contrast, just 7% of Remainers now think it was right for the UK to leave, compared to 88% who still think a vote for Brexit was wrong.
So 7% of Remainers have changed their view and think it was the right thing to do.

More than six in ten Britons (62%) say that Brexit has so far been more of a failure, against just 11% who feel that it has been more of a success, though a more noncommittal 20% of Britons consider it to be neither a success nor failure.

Notably, even Leave voters are more likely to consider Brexit to have gone badly than well, with 32% labelling it more of a failure so far, compared to 22% describing it as more of a success. Four in ten Leave voters (38%), however, see Britain’s exit from the EU to have been neither a success nor a failure.

Remain voters are more uniform in their judgement, with 87% saying it has been a failure and just 3% believing Brexit to have been a success.

The results are really not as simple as you claim.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

^Realistically it will have to be the UK accepting EU regulations before significant changes are going to be seen^

Ye gods! 😮
Beam me up Scottie. Please.

We left their system if we want to trade it will be by their rules, just like any other, that’s the result of what we voted for.

We do still trade with the EU.

It is just that we are no longer part of the Customs Union and Single Market.

We do already trade with them on their terms, they will not import any goods that don’t meet EU standards.

I'd be surprised if they welcomed us back in anyway. The UK representatives were always vetoing stuff, and Farage was outright rude to them. He could be the next PM and I think the EU members would be horrified to have to deal with him again.

I don’t want them to welcome us back in. ReadyMeals, if by that you mean rejoining the EU. I voted to Remain but much has changed since then and we would rejoin on their terms, not ours. I very much doubt it will ever be on the cards anyway.

Layla Moran said on the politics programme that there are @ 30,000 small UK businesses that no longer trade with the EU post Brexit. Someone that I buy greetings cards from said recently that this is what has happened to him.

henetha

Well, to use another cliché, it's time we moved on....

All very well to say that until you’re travelling in Europe. We watched EU passport holders sail through last year in Malaga while we languished for over a —year— an hour to get through the one ‘foreigner’ line. I wanted to shout at the line ‘which if you idiots voted ‘leave’?

Summysoom

henetha

Well, to use another cliché, it's time we moved on....

All very well to say that until you’re travelling in Europe. We watched EU passport holders sail through last year in Malaga while we languished for over a —year— an hour to get through the one ‘foreigner’ line. I wanted to shout at the line ‘which if you idiots voted ‘leave’?

That’s unfortunate, have flown into Malaga twice in the last year and they were waiving people through all the gates, no difference between EU passports or others.

We have visited various vets in France over the past 5 years and they all think the pet paperwork requested by the EU is bonkers. So much so, that the vets know how to advise to get round it.
In my opinion, the EU probably thinks we were bonkers to leave, but personally I think they would accommodate our return fairly readily.

Allira

We do still trade with the EU.

It is just that we are no longer part of the Customs Union and Single Market.

Yes, we do, at huge costs. Lots of paperwork, expensive official and vet checks, customs duties, etc, which massively eats into profits, to the point that many have just given up.

On the other hand, as we so desperately need goods from EU- checks have been postponed, and postponed and postponed again, as we do not have suitable facilities or staffing- so anything can come into the UK mostly unchecked, including possibly dangerous meats, plants and electrical goods, etc (like batteries that blow up and cause fires).

In the meantime, if you follow GB News, you would not have seen the results of the YouGov statistics posted above- as they did not want you to see them. Wonder why?

GB News has deleted article about plummeting Brexit support from their website

‘Do I Need ETIAS to Travel to Spain? Yes. From 2025, as a UK citizen you will be asked to apply for ETIAS authorisation to enter Spain. By Launching ETIAS System, the European Union intends to enhance the safety and security of the EU's external borders and reduce the risks of illegal migration’.
Is this going to affect us when we travel to Europe? Are we taking part in the scene which will help to stop illegal migration. I don’t really travel abroad these days so don’t understand te implications.

I don't know about Spain, but it got postponed in France because the French aren't ready to implement it!!

I think it is now mid 2025 for all the EU. I understand it was the smaller airports that were not ready, not just France. As it has been postponed so many times, I am not holding my breath.

The Express, yes, The Express also has done a poll. 74% of responders (yes, of The Express readership!) think Brexit has been a failure.

A bit meaningless then. Maybe a lot of them voted Leave to stop immigration.

Anyway, we have what we have and I for one won’t lose sleep over something about which I can do b*gger all. I value my health and sanity.

Well, I'm not accepting the situation. I'm not saying we shall rejoin the EU in the foreseeable future. But I'm feeling annoyed with Sir Keir for dragging his feet over the youth mobility scheme, such a tiny step. We should best strengthening ties with the EU, not making concessions to Trump and Musk.

Romola

Well, I'm not accepting the situation. I'm not saying we shall rejoin the EU in the foreseeable future. But I'm feeling annoyed with Sir Keir for dragging his feet over the youth mobility scheme, such a tiny step. We should best strengthening ties with the EU, not making concessions to Trump and Musk.

I agree.

We haven’t made any concessions to Trump and Musk romola, and it’s obviously escaped your attention just how much time Starmer has spent in the EU. Today for instance. And btw I am not a Labour supporter.

Romola

Well, I'm not accepting the situation. I'm not saying we shall rejoin the EU in the foreseeable future. But I'm feeling annoyed with Sir Keir for dragging his feet over the youth mobility scheme, such a tiny step. We should best strengthening ties with the EU, not making concessions to Trump and Musk.

Exactly, why should we accept it?

I am a positive doer and a fighter and bounce back optimist.

And fed up with the old and repeated accusations that if you want to do something about it, you are a miserable, stressed nutter without a life, and who does not value her health and sanity. Totally the opposite- if anything, sitting or lying back and accepting all this nonsense would truly depress me.

But I asked the question why back in the thread - what are you doing about it?

I don't mean starting threads on social media, I mean what actions are you taking personally to ensure we re-join the EU?
Are you a politician? An adviser to politicians perhaps?

You don't have to answer if secret talks are going on, of course, obviously.

Allira

But I asked the question why back in the thread - what are you doing about it?

I don't mean starting threads on social media, I mean what actions are you taking personally to ensure we re-join the EU?
Are you a politician? An adviser to politicians perhaps?

You don't have to answer if secret talks are going on, of course, obviously.

Claremont

I am a positive doer and a fighter and bounce back optimist.

So why not share your positive doings, how you are fighting and bouncing back?

And what a great example you could be to those who you have dismissed.

Nobody should expect easier cross border trade or travel soon, before Brexit the UK had unified rules for the production of goods and growing of food AND the ability for the EU to oversee those rules.
The VAT system was also unified, now, for many purchases it’s charged twice. Freedom of movement in some form needs to be agreed, currently I don’t believe that is at all likely

Many of us write to our MPs, attend surgeries, write articles for papers, and get involved in as many ways as possible, including supporting politicians, and even our PM, who are aware of the issues and want to redress the balance.

Small things all aadd up. No need to be a hero!

if anything, sitting or lying back and accepting all this nonsense would truly depress me.

I think maybe we need to understand both ends of the spectrum where acceptance is concerned.
Without wishing to be accused of being a Patience Strong disciple again, (though I know that wasn't from you Claremont), my acceptance of Brexit involves moving on from it and finding alternatives. Not necessarily to see it as a victory, and I can appreciate that many aren't happy about it, but as an opportunity to pursue other avenues. At the other end of the spectrum, maybe there are those who are just resigned, and lie back, as a form of acceptance, but they were never going to be the ones to do anything exciting with their lives anyway, so it really doesn't bother them.