Truly shocking - Boy, 15, dies after stabbing this lunchtime at a school in Sheffield.

It was the same for me. When my son was at school they could come and go at will. I think that’s wrong. They should remain on the school premises for the entire school day unless they have written permission to leave for a specific reason. I doubt many go home for lunch these days.

Barleyfields

I entirely agree GG. If someone isn’t carrying a weapon or drugs, why would they object to being searched?

Get rid of the discrimination and I might agree with you, butI am worried they will target more black kids. This would only lead to resentment.

Isthethe girl who was stripped and subjected to what amounts as sexual assault by the police?
Bloody disgraceful.

Isn’t it worth it to save lives rafichagran?

A number of the recent stabbings, including the one yesterday, have taken place outside the school building, which is another challenge. If pupils are excluded from school, they can lie in wait and stab their victim(s) in the school grounds or the street. It would be a big step forward if schools were secured and people were not allowed out during school hours, but a solution for excluded pupils is also needed I think.

MissAdventure

Isthethe girl who was stripped and subjected to what amounts as sexual assault by the police?
Bloody disgraceful.

"A date is still to be set for a disciplinary hearing that could result in three Metropolitan police officers being sacked for their alleged part in the strip-search of an innocent child in December 2020".
2024

As far as I know the disciplinary hearing over charges of gross misconduct has not yet taken place.

Thanks.
It's a sorry state of affairs when the police cannot be trusted to be even handed, respectful, and generally above reproach.

I can imagine police on duty at school gates, but that doesn't protect further.

I cant help but want to know what triggered this particular incident. Not for any prudish nasty reason but to understand the "Why" which may be helpful in preventing incidents.

Barleyfields

Isn’t it worth it to save lives rafichagran?

Of course I want to save lives, but a whole group of people should not be discriminated against to do this. I don't see how you can justify the upset of these kids.

to not of.

Knives are easily accessible and there are ways of avoiding being caught with them.
I was walking the dog in our local park and saw something sticking up from the grass. It was a knife. I phone the police who collected it and the policewoman said this was a common occurrence. The knives were left to be picked up later.
Surely this should be a matter for a cross party group.

Many schools in areas of high deprivation have a resident police officer. They can do good work with some young people and of course, have powers of arrest.

I share the feelings of FGT and others, there are two heart broken families here. The uk seems to top the European leagues for drug/alcohol dependence and its associated problems. Put that with parents who have no respect for authority and wouldn’t know a boundary children need to thrive, if one ran them over
Sorry to be so negative

I worked with a police officer who had served with the drug squad. He told me about an initiative they'd run where they'd gone into schools, got to know the kids, did talks illustrating the dangers of drugs. Apparently it got pulled when the problem got worse in the schools they were in. They thought all the talk of drugs had just spiked the interest of kids who'd never done them.

Sometimes you just can't win.

rafichagran

Barleyfields

Isn’t it worth it to save lives rafichagran?

Of course I want to save lives, but a whole group of people should not be discriminated against to do this. I don't see how you can justify the upset of these kids.

I can justify it by getting weapons off the streets. Black and brown kids aren’t the only ones who are stopped.

I've said this before on here

In my opinion this goes back to lack of discipline/boundaries in nursery

Mr Blair introduced nvq in childcare and slowly did away with NNEB back in the 90s.

Instead of training full time for 2 years, young girls (or people of any age) could attend college one evening a week for 6 months and then start work in nursery/school etc, supposedly equivalent to NNEB nursery nurse qualification

Then a few years later nursery staff were no longer allowed to use "a big voice" or say "no" or use the "thinking step/mat/chair". Unacceptable behaviour such as punching, biting, pinching, spitting, kicking other children or nursery staff had to be dealt with by saying "oh we don't do that to our friends "

I'm certainly not saying we should be screaming and shouting and young children at such a young age but I think our poor teenagers now not safe in their own schools have proven Mr Blair and the child care behaviour experts have perhaps got it wrong

Just listened to an item on this on radio 2 and quite a few teachers joined in, oh my word, no wonder so many teachers are leaving

Children need discipline, boundaries and love NOT knives

Albanian boy stabber, previously been caught with a knife at the school

Someone posted this earlier I don't think that children are intrinsically any different from years ago, nor families - there have always been negligent parents.

While I agree there have always been negligent parents, I think this has increased.
We have younger parents, quite often with little or no support around them - to quote a friend "babies having babies".
As I've said many times here, my work is in Criminal Justice and I visit Youth Courts...you wouldn't believe the number of times we hear "he/she is 14 / 15 I can't tell them what to do" or any other number of excuses.
In an area close to me, it's often reported that groups of young people are trying car doors, causing damage or guilty of anti social behaviour - these are all in their early teens.

Society gets the criminals it deserves and I honestly believe that we have created a society in which these individuals thrive - nobody has said no to them, they have little morality and will take what they want - with force if necessary.

My daughter went to a private day school and in 2004 came home with 8 small knives, mostly pen knives, and gave them to me. She had taken them from other pupils bags secretly so they didn't get in trouble. She was 12 at the time. Knives in schools have been there for many years. I was so proud of her.

karmalady could you tell us how you know this information?

Jaxjacky

Also in the news from Wales a 14 year old girl is found guilty of attempted murder, two members of school staff last year.
Do all schools now need scanners at entrance points with security staff?

It might be useful in detecting a couple of knives, but it won't stop the problem.

What is needed is a commitee of teachers, psycologists , police, lawyers and people who work with young offenders, plus some parents, and some really good people who work in advertising.

Steps have to be taken now, to make children aware that fighting, whether by using their fists and feet or weapons is not the way to solve problems, to make parents aware of the dangers of not teaching their children this, and to give teachers the tools to teach this and to deal with the first small signs of violence or bullying.

Punishing a 14 year old for killing anyone is n ot going to do a lot of good, and will almost certainly ruin the 14 year old's life, but he cannot just be told he has been a bad boy and sent back to school, either.

Remove the boy from the parents who have failed so singularly at bringing him up, send them to prision if you like. Doing so, might just make other parents wake up to the responsibility they have to either bring their children up well, or to seek help if they cannot (not all children are innocent little angels, or all parents uncaring.)

LizzieDrip

karmalady could you tell us how you know this information?

Parents and pupils of the school have put his picture up on social media platforms.

Not sure he is Albanian though.

These horrific happenings seem to be becoming almost every day events.
When I was early years secondary school there was a murder in the city I lived and it was a huge event, everybody talked about it for weeks and it was truly shocking. What happened?

After what happened in Southport I’m wary, it’s not wise to accept social media posts as true. If that is where it came from, I don’t think we should be repeating it until it’s officially confirmed.

Casdon

After what happened in Southport I’m wary, it’s not wise to accept social media posts as true. If that is where it came from, I don’t think we should be repeating it until it’s officially confirmed.

I agree, which is why I haven’t posted any more details of what is doing the rounds on social media.

”Parents and pupils of the school have put his picture up on social media platforms”

What, they have posted pictures of the stabber? Surely not