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FriedGreenTomatoes2 Thu 06-Feb-25 20:59:23

This tonight, from the ā€˜i’ newspaper (that I also now subscribe to, not just The Telegraph!) ….

ā€œNigel Farage stood up at Prime Minister’s Questions on Wednesday to hostile silence. Squashed together in the Commons, MPs from other parties glowered at him, and then delighted as he appeared to fluff his lines when asking a question about the Chagos Islands.

Behind the scenes it is a different story, with individual MPs from other parties queuing up to ask the Reform UK leader to sign House of Commons wine bottles and drinks coasters for family members and constituents who are fans of his brand of straight-talking populism. It’s not clear whether those MPs acknowledge the cognitive dissonance involved.

There’s no doubt Reform is having a moment. On average, the last half-dozen polls have put the party on 25 per cent, putting it equal first with Labour. Three of those polls put the party in the lead, either solely or in tandem with Labour.

It’s causing tangible jitters among both Labour and Conservative MPs. At PMQs, Farage accused them of ā€œpanic.ā€

This week a group of around 40 Labour MPs from ā€œRed Wallā€ seats in the north of England called for Sir Keir Starmer to send a stronger message on immigration as they seek to see off the threat from Farage and his crew ahead of local elections in May.

Behind the scenes, other Labour MPs have requested training sessions from No 10 on how to deal with Reform in their areas. ā€œIt really troubles them,ā€ a Labour source said.ā€

C’mon REFORM!

LizzieDrip Tue 11-Feb-25 13:02:45

When Reform PLC crashes the UK economy and our pension funds collapse, as noted above, Mr Farage will be absolutely fine … particularly now that he’s added a tenth job to his side hustles.

He’s now selling nappies on TV; useful for when the sh** hits the fan (couldn’t resistgrin).

Chocolatelovinggran Tue 11-Feb-25 13:22:05

Lizzie - Mr Farage advertising nappies??: tell me it's not true!

Casdon Tue 11-Feb-25 13:26:00

Yes, it’s true.
www.thelondoneconomic.com/lifestyle/farages-latest-business-venture-proof-that-he-really-is-full-of-sht-388983/

LizzieDrip Tue 11-Feb-25 13:55:07

When truth is stranger than fiction Chocolatelovinggran … this is the world we’re living inšŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø

LizzieDrip Tue 11-Feb-25 13:59:10

I did get one bit wrong - he’s selling them on Twitter not TV … so, an even bigger audience for his šŸ’©

HousePlantQueen Tue 11-Feb-25 14:25:41

LizzieDrip

When truth is stranger than fiction Chocolatelovinggran … this is the world we’re living inšŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø

It certainly is stranger than fiction. The talented satirist, Armando Iannucici has said that he is finding it very difficult to write at present, with Farage strutting about like a real MP and with what is happening in USA.

LizzieDrip Tue 11-Feb-25 14:58:29

I’m not surprised HPQ. How do you parody this stuffšŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø

Wyllow3 Tue 11-Feb-25 14:59:37

Casdon

Yes, it’s true.
www.thelondoneconomic.com/lifestyle/farages-latest-business-venture-proof-that-he-really-is-full-of-sht-388983/

its a US company of course but my goodness

"The Reform UK leader, not content with just the nine jobs, has backed a US-owned retailer offering ā€œcommunity cashbackā€ on household items – including nappies.

A video posted on X last week shows Farage, wearing a suit and tie, standing in an oak-panelled room and announcing to the camera: ā€œWe are facing a cost of living crisis in the United Kingdom and I have decided to do something about it.ā€

He continues: ā€œHere is a brand new concept. It’s called WeSave and if as consumers we get together and buy in bulk you can get much cheaper prices for everyday goods. We are going to start with nappies. The more people that join, the cheaper they will be … click that link, it’s free to join. It’s going to save you a lot of money.ā€

How can anyone take him seriously?

About time we at last take the route of limiting jobs outside parliament

Wyllow3 Tue 11-Feb-25 15:00:53

What about any pride in UK companies, UK jobs?

SilverBrook Tue 11-Feb-25 18:16:36

I’m not sure WeSure is anything more than an American online shopping portal like Amazon but which offers 2% cashback and some referral discounts.

www.wesaveinc.com/

Interesting, sinister even, that Farage is focusing on nappies considering the right-wing drive of his US heroes for wanting women to stay home, have more children, denying them abortions and so on.

Pity the media doesn’t look beyond the obvious sh*t jokes and consider why he’s pushing nappies and not dog food or cat litter.

MayBee70 Tue 11-Feb-25 21:01:46

ā€œDover MP Mike Tapp stood up to point out that no Reform MPs were in the Commons at that point in the debate on the Border Security, Asylum and Immigration Bill.ā€
They didn’t bother to debate immigration and borders, they just snipe from the sidelines.ā€

Churchview Tue 11-Feb-25 22:06:03

MayBee70

ā€œDover MP Mike Tapp stood up to point out that no Reform MPs were in the Commons at that point in the debate on the Border Security, Asylum and Immigration Bill.ā€
They didn’t bother to debate immigration and borders, they just snipe from the sidelines.ā€

This is key isn't it.

Casdon Tue 11-Feb-25 22:11:56

This make interesting listening. Farage claimed on X that he had forced an opposition amendment, but it was the Tories, nothing to do with him at all, and no Reform MPs spoke during the debate. I bet it won’t be reported in the mainstream media, but it’s in Hansard.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFiCZqTUdnQ

MayBee70 Tue 11-Feb-25 22:40:13

Reform won’t try do anything to stop illegal migration because they feed off it. Without it they don’t exist. It’s their life blood. They’re just parasites.

Dickens Wed 12-Feb-25 09:33:55

SilverBrook

Interesting, sinister even, that Farage is focusing on nappies considering the right-wing drive of his US heroes for wanting women to stay home, have more children, denying them abortions and so on.

... not sure about that, nappies are big sellers, and I'm always wary of being part of any conspiracy theories: however the Right (or some of it) are often very focused on the traditional family stereotype; but Farage has gone one step further - endorsing the self-proclaimed misogynist, Andrew Tate, as a role model for what he calls male culture.

Back over to the USA now where the 'new' Right is emerging under Trump - Trump who Farage has cited as an "inspiration" - a new appointee (January 2025) to the board of the University of West Florida, one Scott Yenor, would like to see women denied higher education because of the "evils" (his word) of feminism.

Speaking at the National Conservatism Conference (2021) this is what he had to say:

ā€œIf we want a great nation, we should be preparing young women to become mothers,ā€ Yenor said, "not finding every reason for young women to delay motherhood until they are established in a career or sufficiently independent.ā€ ā€œEvery effort must be made not to recruit women into engineering, but rather to recruit and demand more of men who become engineers. Ditto for med school and the law and every tradeā€

I doubt that's a minority view.

If Farage wants to be - and wants us here in the UK to be, part of that alpha-male, testosterone-fuelled, hierarchy, then whether he's promoting cat-litter or nappies, then I think he's a danger to women.

Oh, I'm sure he's on our side in the gender 'wars', but not in the interests of feminism - rather more to put women back in their box.

I don't know where he stands in the politics of women's suffrage, but - there are among these 'new' men those who believe that women should be denied the vote. If you read and research widely enough, you can see what they have to say.

There is a growing backlash against feminism by men who feel emasculated by women's autonomy. Under Trump, they are all going to crawl out of the woodwork. As Farage is 'inspired' by Trump, then I'd suggest any woman who wants to see Reform in government should ask Farage et al where they stand on women's rights.

HousePlantQueen Wed 12-Feb-25 09:48:52

MayBee70

ā€œDover MP Mike Tapp stood up to point out that no Reform MPs were in the Commons at that point in the debate on the Border Security, Asylum and Immigration Bill.ā€
They didn’t bother to debate immigration and borders, they just snipe from the sidelines.ā€

Yes, I read that. I believe that one of them turned up 2 hours late due to broadcasting commitments on GB NEWS. Says it all concerning their priorities.

LizzieDrip Wed 12-Feb-25 10:21:36

Dickens
ā€There is a growing backlash against feminism by men who feel emasculated by women's autonomy. Under Trump, they are all going to crawl out of the woodwork. As Farage is 'inspired' by Trump, then I'd suggest any woman who wants to see Reform in government should ask Farage et al where they stand on women's rightsā€

Hear hearšŸ‘šŸ‘šŸ‘

Farage et al would have women ā€˜back in their place’angry

Wyllow3 Wed 12-Feb-25 10:34:05

If you read the Trump thread there is so much I'd like to ask Farage about, "do you really support this for the UK?

Chocolatelovinggran Wed 12-Feb-25 10:36:42

So Mr Yenor thinks it's a good idea to stop women going into engineering and medicine- both areas in which there is a skill shortage.
Deciding to limit potential candidates in a field where recruitment is a problem doesn't seem the wisest economic decision, quite aside from any thoughts about the future of women in his country.
My DIL , an engineer, and her sister, a doctor, are a huge asset to this country.
Maybe such women might be an asset to the USA....

Dickens Wed 12-Feb-25 10:42:20

LizzieDrip

Dickens
ā€There is a growing backlash against feminism by men who feel emasculated by women's autonomy. Under Trump, they are all going to crawl out of the woodwork. As Farage is 'inspired' by Trump, then I'd suggest any woman who wants to see Reform in government should ask Farage et al where they stand on women's rightsā€

Hear hearšŸ‘šŸ‘šŸ‘

Farage et al would have women ā€˜back in their place’angry

Well I think it would be more carefully 'curated' than in the USA - male 'Trumpism' isn't very refined or sophisticated, and Farage is far more 'eloquent' in his delivery - but I think we might be guided back into our lane, so to speak.

There might be, for example, more financial incentives for mothers to stay at home, but I think any attempt to keep women out of the boardroom, higher education, etc, would not be a vote winner. However, there's no telling what a Reform government would do, once in power.

As well as a 'war on woke' the Right are definitely conducting a battle of the sexes, but - apart from the mouthy loose-canons on the Right, we tend to do this kind of thing with more finesse... which is probably more dangerous to women, I don't know!

Chocolatelovinggran Wed 12-Feb-25 10:46:37

I suspect that you are right, Dickens- the message might be the same but will be, potentially, more nuanced.
Incentives for SAH mothers might well be on the agenda, because, as we know, Mr Farage is happy to make pronouncements but prefers not to explain how to fund them.

nanna8 Wed 12-Feb-25 10:54:59

I can see why he gets so many supporters - he is saying what they want to hear. I don’t know quite why but instincts kick in that he is not what he seems. Just something NQR . Hope that I am wrong,I really do, because I do think he will get more and more power and influence. You know, hate to say it ( really,really) but I think Starmer is very slightly better. Only very slightly mind you. P

LizzieDrip Wed 12-Feb-25 11:16:57

nanna8 I’m interested in your reasoning regarding Keir Starmer. Why do you think he’s only marginally better than Nigel Farage - in what way?

You’ve frequently posted your dislike for Keir Starmer (your opinion, to which you’re entitled) but haven’t often explained reasons underpinning that option.

So, what is it about Keir Starmer that makes you believe he’s a terrible P.M. and not good for the UK?

Genuinely interested!

LizzieDrip Wed 12-Feb-25 11:20:05

Opinion not option!

SilverBrook Wed 12-Feb-25 11:26:06

Good post, Dickens. More from the odious Yenor in this piece:

www.wusf.org/education/2025-01-09/desantis-appointee-to-university-board-says-women-should-become-mothers-not-pursue-higher-ed

Speaking at the National Conservatism Conference in 2021, Yenor detailed what he sees as the ā€œevilsā€ of feminism, labeled ā€œindependent womenā€ as ā€œmedicated, meddlesome and quarrelsomeā€ and decried colleges and universities as "the citadels of our gynecocracyā€ — a form of government run by women.

ā€œIf we want a great nation, we should be preparing young women to become mothers,ā€ Yenor said, "not finding every reason for young women to delay motherhood until they are established in a career or sufficiently independent.ā€

Yenor argued that higher education ā€œdelays growing up,ā€ saying that college and universities are ā€œindoctrination campsā€ that society should de-emphasize in order to make progress on ā€œfamily matters.ā€

ā€œEvery effort must be made not to recruit women into engineering, but rather to recruit and demand more of men who become engineers. Ditto for med school and the law and every trade,ā€ Yenor said.

In articles and speeches, Yenor has labeled DEI as a ā€œgrave and gathering danger to national unity and state governance," called for eliminating certain disciplines like African Diaspora Studies and said even departments of History and English could be on the chopping block.

This is Margaret Atwood’s dystopian Gilead approaching, isn’t it? No education, no jobs, no money. What else is there to do but rely on men for support and have their babies?

The comment about nappies? Not conspiracy theory but the smell not only of American’s drive to up the birthrate but of Reform’s James McMurdock behind the sales idea. He is doing his bit towards growing the population. When his conviction for kicking a young woman came up again recently, Tice defending him saying Mrs McMurdock had just had another baby. Why the two things should be conflated, as if fathering numerous children somehow mitigates a violent attack on a young woman, is anybody's guess. When McMurdock was elected last July he was decribed as a father of four so that’s five now.

Byline Times exposed McMurdock’s involvement in a number of failed companies one of which was Bulk Buy Shared Limited. No accounts were ever submitted and the company was struck off. I’m guessing it was something along the lines of WeSave that Farage is now promoting.