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Want to understand what Trump is doing? Part 2

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Whitewavemark2 Thu 13-Feb-25 11:24:20

The other filled up very swiftly - so I assume a need for it’s continuation.

Wyllow3 Tue 18-Mar-25 18:48:55

Babs03

I can believe it imaround but maybe the police also feel they have no choice, if they don’t kowtow to this petulant dictator and his cronies their necks could be on the line.
Nobody is safe right now.
This is the most worrying v thing I have heard.
If the police are not there for the people the people are screwed.

My thoughts too. Hopefully in democrat states for state matters it will be different.

Wyllow3 Tue 18-Mar-25 18:56:37

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Are you seriously saying your State Police are in the pocket of Trump imaround?

I think the answer is "yes" as regards law enforcement th how much control he has over regional police will probably depend on the State..

But He is getting rid of FBI agents and there will be CIA cuts, and who do you think will get chosen to "stay"?

"At least five top FBI officials in major US cities – Miami, Philadelphia, Washington, New Orleans and Las Vegas – were ordered to resign or be fired, one of the sources told Reuters"

To be specific, cuts to those agents who, although they were ordered to carry out investigations, impinged on Trump and have been sacked

"The move came at the same time that CNN reported that a purge of career law enforcement officials would hit the agency,
with dozens of FBI agents facing the axe who worked on investigations into the January 6 attack on the US Capitol and any Trump-related cases, such as the inquiry into missing sensitive documents found at Mar-a-Lago

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/31/fbi-staff-cuts-trump-purge

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Tue 18-Mar-25 20:48:24

imaround

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Are you seriously saying your State Police are in the pocket of Trump imaround?

I am saying what happened FGT. When police were called, they allowed/helped Musk and his team to go into the building, despite it not being legal for them to do.

I could show you countless examples of police being MAGA, and breaking the law.

Are all police officer MAGA? No. But a large portion of them are. You can look into that if you're interested.

I suppose I could look into it.
But surely so much better if one of the Democrat candidates did??

imaround Tue 18-Mar-25 22:19:13

Remember the Minnesota bill that was introduced to make Trump Derangement Syndrome a mental health illness?

This is the republican who introduced the bill. Solicitation of a minor for prostitution.

Fine upstanding politician. 🙄

www.fox9.com/news/minnesota-senator-justin-eichorn-arrest

imaround Wed 19-Mar-25 03:10:11

Trump just illegally fired the only 2 Democrats on the Federal Trade Comission. Thos may have a payeall, sorry.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/18/trump-fires-ftc-commissioners

A judge ruled thay what Musk did to USAID is unconstitutional and he has been told to start reversing it.

Several judges ruled that Trump and Musk can not fire all those Federal employees and they all must be returned to work. They were returned to work and put on paid leave.

The next question is going to be, is he going to follow court orders? We already know the answer to this because they are already ignoring them.

Right now there is no mechanism of enforcement because judicial enforcement is done by the US Marshall's Service, which is under the control of Trumps DOJ.

We will see.

imaround Wed 19-Mar-25 21:13:15

They are deleting evidence of Ukrainian children kidnapped by Russia.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/trump-ukraine-children-russia-war-kidnapping-evidence-b2717730.html

Wyllow3 Wed 19-Mar-25 21:58:20

Those firings noted, although they are supposed to have the protection

"The US supreme court ruled in 1935 to uphold a law that allows FTC commissioners to be fired only for good cause, such as neglecting their duties. The ruling is meant to shield a number of independent and bipartisan agencies from direct control by the White House.

The Ukraine actions are quite disgraceful. Part of a deal with Putin? Whats Trump up to there?
"

imaround Thu 20-Mar-25 02:13:20

World domination? It's the only thing I can think of at this point.

RFKjr has a plan to combat bird flu in the US. His big plan is to let it run through flocks to see which birds are immune.

He certainly isn't a merit based placement is he?

newrepublic.com/post/192916/rfk-jr-plan-bird-flu

Elegran Thu 20-Mar-25 12:33:16

RFKjr's appointment is a trophy one - "Look!! We have a Kennedy in a key position"

GrannyGravy13 Thu 20-Mar-25 12:39:49

I just heard on Radio 2 news that POTUS Trump wants to take control of Ukraines nuclear power plants to keep them safe

I wonder what’s the motivation behind this idea?

I guess it’s to channel feee electricity to his pal President Putin…

GrannyGravy13 Thu 20-Mar-25 12:40:18

free not feee 🤬

Cossy Thu 20-Mar-25 13:08:23

Elegran

RFKjr's appointment is a trophy one - "Look!! We have a Kennedy in a key position"

He’s also an anti vaxer and has some very odd ideas. I would NEVER have appointed him!

Elegran Thu 20-Mar-25 13:12:08

Trump is an under-performing child who was beaten by his father, despaired of by teachers, and jeered at by his schoolmates.

He has failed to the point of bankruptcy in continuing to run his father's business empire in real estate, as his position and experience in that business as a young man was basically as a rent-collector with menaces for his hard-man father. But by copying his father's strategies and tactics, and cultivating the admiration of like-minded voters, he has found himself in the seat of power over the inhabitants of a major global nation, with what seems to him to be a lot of control over over the destinies of other nations.

He has a lot of resentment to unload onto anyone who looks likely to compete successfully with him, or to try to deny him the free exercise of the exhilarating use of his power over all of them.

Consciously seeking world domination is probably not his deliberate aim (that needs too much attention to details, constructive consideration of how each bit of the global jigsaw will fit with the rest, and patience to let each move settle down before the next strike for his kindergarten mindset of grabbing anything he wants that comes within his reach, pussies included) - but having someone in the background encouraging his ambitions and steering him in suitable directions could create maximun opportunity for his mentor to succeed in the world domination stakes.

25Avalon Thu 20-Mar-25 14:08:33

Nobel Peace Prize? I just read he drinks at least 12 cans of Diet Coke a day. That could explain a lot.

Wyllow3 Thu 20-Mar-25 14:16:06

GrannyGravy13

I just heard on Radio 2 news that POTUS Trump wants to take control of Ukraines nuclear power plants to keep them safe

I wonder what’s the motivation behind this idea?

I guess it’s to channel feee electricity to his pal President Putin…

Very very good question GG13.

Somehow, I dont see it benefitting Ukrainians. Having seized a % of mineral rights he's trying to take control of key power bases (I mean political power/leverage.)

Whats his game? what does he mean by "take control?" US soldiers on the ground - or rather, private contractors with paid "security" private mercenaries.

AuntieE Thu 20-Mar-25 14:32:57

Babs03

Well Putin has gone from pariah to a player on the international stage again thanks to Trump. I imagine Zekensky will be forced to give ground and Putin will feel empowered to once again double down on NATO aided and abetted by Trump whose support for NATO has always been suspect.
All signs atm point towards fascism gaining ground.
We have been here before and it didn’t end well.

Yesterday March 19th it was quite clear to me that Trump was not telling what he and Putin had actually said to each other, nor had they agreed to give the same public statements regarding their phone conversation.

Zelinsky will not give ground, either literallly or metaphorically, as Putin has not kept to the agreement not to hit electricity plants etc. in Ukraine.

Presumably, Putin is demonstrating what we all knew in advance: he is not prepared to agree to a cease-fire of any kind or any duration. He may not still think he can win this war, but he is not ready to throw in his hand.

The most interesting point to me is: who is lying here? Trump or Putin? Trump says they did not dicuss American aid to Ukraine, Putin says he demanded that America stops supplyning arms and military information to Ukraine.

Has Trump sold Ukraine down the river? He is quite capable of it, or is Putin trying to make us all believe that Trump has done so? I believe him to be quite capable of that.

Are they both lying? Most likely, as neither seems to be able to tell the truth about anything. But, but: one of them might just be telling the truth for once in his life.

Wyllow3 Thu 20-Mar-25 14:49:53

I'll go for both, with the rider that some issues might have been glazed over in their discussions, so Trump for example thought he had a commitment on such and such but in fact none was given, it was assumed.

Elegran Thu 20-Mar-25 14:50:45

"Are they both lying? Most likely, as neither seems to be able to tell the truth about anything. But, but: one of them might just be telling the truth for once in his life."

It is a bit like that riddle where you are faced with two people with completely opposing stories, one of whom always lies, the other always tells the truth, but you don't know which is which. Your task is to work out whch is the genuine story. (The answer, if you haven't met this riddle, is that you ask one of them what the other would say - and then believe the opposite)

The difference now is that BOTH of them are known to be more than "economical with the truth".

Wyllow3 Thu 20-Mar-25 14:55:21

GG13 - on nuclear power plants, there appears to be a difference of opinion about what Trump/Zelensky are saying about nuclear power plants.
Ie Trump says he wants them all, Zelensky says just the one plant

"Donald Trump told Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Wednesday that the US could own and run Ukrainian nuclear power plants as part of a ceasefire. The Ukrainian president said following their call that “we talked only about one power plant, which is under Russian occupation”, referring to Zaporizhzhia, Europe’s largest nuclear power station The White House said it had “moved beyond” the idea of taking possession of Ukraine’s mineral wealth as part of negotiations. “We are now focused on a long-term peace agreement,” said White House spokesperson Karoline Leavitt.

"https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/20/ukraine-war-briefing-trump-wants-zaporizhzhia-power-plant-for-us

imaround Fri 21-Mar-25 03:31:19

Just so you know, I am headed out of town this weekend. I didn't want you all the think I had finally gone off the deep end over here. grin

This shows why Reublicans are pushing back against Trump. They are scared to death.

Republicans on Capitol Hill are shying away from criticizing Donald Trump’s policies over fears for their physical safety and that of their families, a Democratic member of Congress has said.

Eric Swalwell, a Democratic representative from California, said his Republican colleagues were “terrified” of crossing Trump not only because of the negative impact on their political careers, but also from anxiety that it might provoke physical threats that could cause personal upheaval and require them to hire round-the-clock security as protection.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/27/republicans-trump-threats

Wyllow3 Fri 21-Mar-25 14:01:02

Thanks for letting us know imaround..

I totally agree that Trump rules by fear for those who want to oppose him - the aim really is to stop people speaking up in the first place.

Obviously a lot of people still support him - I think until something happens to them it won't change., and the trickle down effects in education, medicare, food prices, jobs will take time to hit home.

imaround Sun 23-Mar-25 02:50:23

Trump is planning on dividing up Ukraine.

thehill.com/policy/international/5208000-trump-says-contract-being-drafted-on-dividing-up-land-in-ukraine-war/

imaround Sun 23-Mar-25 23:02:08

2 Republican Reps in Texas have filed some type of bill to amend the strict abortion ban. Apparently after Pro Publica reported on the number of women who have died, they decided that too many have died. confused

"ProPublica found that, since the ban, incidence of sepsis has increased by more than 50% for women who had second-trimester miscarriages. In these cases, the standard of care is to evacuate the uterus. If doctors have to wait for the fetal heartbeat to stop, the woman is often exposed to deadly bacteria.

ProPublica also counted 120 deaths of hospitalized pregnant women, a massive increase. One of those women was Josseli Barnica, a 28-year-old mother who had a miscarriage at 17 weeks pregnant. Doctors told her she couldn’t get treatment until they could no longer detect a fetal heartbeat. So they waited. She died of sepsis. More than a dozen medical experts who reviewed her case told ProPublica Barnica’s death was preventable."

steady.substack.com/p/women-in-texas-are-dying?utm_campaign=posts-open-in-app&triedRedirect=true

Wyllow3 Mon 24-Mar-25 00:48:40

Let's hope sense prevails.

Wyllow3 Mon 24-Mar-25 15:23:04

More than a touch of the bizarre:

Greenland condemns planned visits by Usha Vance and Trump adviser - yes - uninvited - they are turning up to Greenland for a "cultural visit"

"Greenland's politicians have condemned plans for high-profile US visits, in the wake of President Donald Trump's threats to take over the island.

Second Lady Usha Vance will make a cultural visit this week, and a separate trip is expected from Trump's National Security Adviser Mike Waltz.

Outgoing Greenlandic Prime Minister Mute Egede described the plan as aggressive,

and said the duo had not been invited for meetings Meanwhile, the island's likely next leader accused the US of showing a lack of respect.

Is this supposed to "charm" and "soften" Greenlanders?

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