Trump: All American or Closet Communist?

Namsnanny

Babs03

I will use the word despise with regard to Trump because he is a fascist white supremacist who has surrounded himself with neo Nazis and crooks.
He personifies everything that I find repugnant.
Same goes for his sidekick Musk and his chainsaw antics.

The problem here is the only factual word you have used is white yes he is white.
The rest is unsupported or a lie.
If there is evidence then please say so.
You are one of many who find him repugnant.

How about Trump cosying up with Putin and saying that Ukraine started the war with Russia and has turned down opportunities to stop it and that Zelensky is a dictator with no electoral support?

Quite a number of people in his entourage, including Trump himself have criminal records and several of them have been filmed doing Nazi salutes at formal events

And of course Musk is his sidekick and did wield a chain saw.

Surrounding yourself with bevies of female eye candy is not the same as appointing women to high office and in the inner group around Trump there are very few indeed who are not male WASPs. Yes, a few, but very few.

The individual States in USA can secede to get out of the grip of SCROTUS. I believe some already have secession movements. I do hope they get on with it.

Namsnanny

nanna8

What I would worry about long term is Trump making it so that his family inherits the job i .e. his son, by changing the rules! I know that sounds very far fetched but dictators do that sort of thing . Putin made sure he is the only President by changing rules so his mate might look at that and think he will do the same. It’s a funny world just now and not in humorous way.

I don't think it far fetched at all. But if as M0nica said earlier, other families educated their sons and daughters to enter into politics, couldn't he do the same, without changing the rules?

I actually think you are on to something tbh, Baron seems to be in training.
Don't forget though there is many a slip twix cup and lip

You misquote me Namsnanny I mentioned the Bush family becuase there were several of them went into politics, but Obama, Biden, etc, had many years of political involvement but did not come from political families.

However in political families, quality seems to go down with every generation. Look at the Kennedys, JFK's grand nephew, the one appointed Secretary of Health by Trump s a conspiracy theorist who wants to ban COVID vaccination in the whole of the US on totally unproven beliefs that they damage health in the long term. Although I cannot think of anything more damaging to long term health than dying of COVID.

The United States is a democracy and Barron Trump would need to convince people that he was a worthy successor to his father, was suitably qualified and could convince enough people to vote for him.

The big difference between monarchical dynasties in modern democracies and being an elected President, is that in modern democracies, monarchs are powerless. All the power lies with the elected government and Prime Minister. Oh, they have little bits of this and that they can award or do, or grant, but the government of the country lies with theindividual country's elected representatives.

Supposing Barron turns out to be LBGetc. Oh, what a delicious idea to play with.

There are some who say Baron is on the spectrum of autism. As a percentage of
People with autism appear to also suffer with body disphoria it wouldn't surprise me either. But I wouldn't wish that on him or anyone, as it seems to be a very hard life for the individual

Anyway I would imagine being DJTs son is difficult enough. He seems uncomfortable in the spot light of his father's attention.
As I said many a slip twix cup and lip.

My apologies if you feel I mis quoted your post,
I was speaking very generally.

Another good post MOnica, though I would say that as you express my own views on this so much better than I.

My impression of Baron Trump is of a rather vulnerable yiung man, who does not relish media attention, he’s also farbtoo yiung to be groomed as a replacement for his 78 year old father.
Ivanka very confident, as does Jerard Kushner. I try to avoid conspiracy or drama theories but - I do fear Trump is building a Dynasty. During the election campaign, he did tell America -don’t worry, you won’t have to do this again.
The other thing I’ve long felt to be important, is that we speak the same language as Americans but our culture is European

No surprise that I think that Barron is a remarkable 18? year old who was able to mobilise the youth vote for the Republican Party. I can’t understand the adverse comments from some GNetters about him but each to their own opinion. Barron will continue to excel am sure.

Jennerdysphoria

The individual States in USA can secede to get out of the grip of SCROTUS. I believe some already have secession movements. I do hope they get on with it.

Do you remember the last time that was tried?

ronib

No surprise that I think that Barron is a remarkable 18? year old who was able to mobilise the youth vote for the Republican Party. I can’t understand the adverse comments from some GNetters about him but each to their own opinion. Barron will continue to excel am sure.

I hope I didn't come across as passing adverse comments ronib?
I felt he was quite self assured when shaking hands with other people at the inauguration ceremony. including when he approached and shook hands with Biden and Kamala. As you say he was given the job of engaging the youth with the voting process, which seemed to go very well for the Republicans.

Maybe I'm reading too much into it, I just felt having someone like DJT as a father must be quite difficult at times.

I genuinely think Trump has a mental health problem and I can’t understand what sort of people voted for him

imaround

Jennerdysphoria

The individual States in USA can secede to get out of the grip of SCROTUS. I believe some already have secession movements. I do hope they get on with it.

Do you remember the last time that was tried?

Are you referring to the Civil War?

I read some time ago, some states have always been threatening to secede since the beginning.

Is it like some of the celebrities threatening to leave if Trump became President?

Lesley60

I genuinely think Trump has a mental health problem and I can’t understand what sort of people voted for him

It's a good question.
I think it is a bit like trying to finish a jigsaw puzzle without all the pieces.

Namsnanny

Lesley60

I genuinely think Trump has a mental health problem and I can’t understand what sort of people voted for him

It's a good question.
I think it is a bit like trying to finish a jigsaw puzzle without all the pieces.

I do not think it is mental health problem, I think it is a personality disorder that has been evident all his adult life, and may be in childhood as well.

His very limited and basic vocabulary and sentence formation suggests that he is of limited intellectual ability. Numerous articles both the first time he stood for President and last year say his language and vocabulary equate to the average US 8 year old.

However, his rambling non sequitors, when not reading a prepared speech and erratic behaviour also suggests he may be developing some form of mental impairment, possibly dementia. It runs in the family.

Elon Musk is a regular user of Ketamine, which may explain a lot of his erratic behaviour, but has he introduced Trump to it?

art of the deal
that is all you need to know
he thinks hes good at it
baron runs his life taught him how to use social media
x.com/news_barron/status/18900238663
04721086?mx=2

www.vox.com/21472063/trump-tax-returns-debts-owes-money

M0nica

Namsnanny

Lesley60

I genuinely think Trump has a mental health problem and I can’t understand what sort of people voted for him

It's a good question.
I think it is a bit like trying to finish a jigsaw puzzle without all the pieces.

I do not think it is mental health problem, I think it is a personality disorder that has been evident all his adult life, and may be in childhood as well.

His very limited and basic vocabulary and sentence formation suggests that he is of limited intellectual ability. Numerous articles both the first time he stood for President and last year say his language and vocabulary equate to the average US 8 year old.

However, his rambling non sequitors, when not reading a prepared speech and erratic behaviour also suggests he may be developing some form of mental impairment, possibly dementia. It runs in the family.

Elon Musk is a regular user of Ketamine, which may explain a lot of his erratic behaviour, but has he introduced Trump to it?

I agree Trump is egotistical, possibly bombastic (these are just my own observations, so not exactly to be relied upon), and definitely likes to ramble on.

Just like yours, my view is subjective. As it would be impossible to gain any truthful diagnosis.

Similar things were said about Biden, but the press and his supporters just shrugged it off.

As for the ketamine comment, as yet I haven't seen this confirmed - no doubt it would be heralded loudly by those that hate him so...?

Now I do know cocaine was found in the Whouse, very close to Kamala Harris office. It would be wrong of me to point the finger at anyone though, as there never was enough proof to do so.
Not enough released to the public I mean.

My comment to lesley60 using the jigsaw analogy, was more to do with the lack of reliable information available to make an honest judgement, in this case about Trump

So we all are at risk of filling in the gaps subjectively.

Namsnanny

Lesley60

I genuinely think Trump has a mental health problem and I can’t understand what sort of people voted for him

It's a good question.
I think it is a bit like trying to finish a jigsaw puzzle without all the pieces.

I genuinely think Trump has a mental health problem and I can’t understand what sort of people voted for him

That's assuming people delve deeply into the candidate they're voting for. Those who are primarily worried about the rising cost of living - an understandable concern - might simply have voted for Trump because he promised to do something about it - he acknowledged their worries. They might not give a hoot about foreign policy or anything else for that matter, because their impoverishment is the overriding factor.

In spite of what some of us think about him, the evangelical-Christian-right like him, he shares their values. It might not go down well in the UK if a political leader was caught bragging about grabbing 'them' by the pussy, but over there it can be dismissed as 'locker-room' talk - you know, men-will-be-men - if he subscribes to all the other values.

And of course, the very wealthy, the millionaires / billionaires, are always more likely to vote for a Republican - whoever he is - understandably, as he's going to protect their interests.

I'm willing to bet that some individuals from all the above demographics are well aware of his obvious failings; as MOnica pointed out, his vocabulary is very limited and he frequently sounds like a petulant teenager when he's cross - sometimes taking to social media later to expand and expound on his grievances with someone who's upset or annoyed him - as teenagers do.

But, he is the man who's going to get the 'job done' - he's going to do the things he promised them, so I think they can overlook his shortcomings, particularly as they didn't at all like the alternative.

He's a populist president, and he's made himself popular because he's astute enough (though completely lacking in self-awareness IMO) to understand what it is that voters care about, and with the instincts of a hard-nosed business-man, he knows how to cut a deal with the American public.

I think you’re right in your assessment Monica but maybe we shouldn’t worry, he’s told us ‘it’s gonna be great! Just beautiful!’
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I might be old fashioned but - at what point did it become ok for two men who have 17 children between them, with 6 different women, to lecture us on morality.

Evangelical Christian’s who cheer on every crazy Musk/Trump speech. Weird

Iam64 Trump is not our president and he is not lecturing us in the UK.
America has chosen- America can keep him. We are not bound by his proclamations.

ronib

Iam64 Trump is not our president and he is not lecturing us in the UK.
America has chosen- America can keep him. We are not bound by his proclamations.

But we can be constrained by them. For example if he places tarriffs on British good shipped to the USA.

Not every manufacturer can immediately turn round and sell bis goods elsewhere.

Monica Trump was very clear that his ambition for America is to be self sufficient in manufacturing and production of goods. So Uk manufacturing needs to wake up to the new boy on the block.

Yes I mean the Civil War namsnanny.

A state can not just leave the US. It doesn't work like that, even if it is written into the state's constitution.

ronib

Iam64 Trump is not our president and he is not lecturing us in the UK.
America has chosen- America can keep him. We are not bound by his proclamations.

But Musk (who some joke is actually the one running things) has most definitely been lecturing us over here - he's decided it's important that we know who he thinks should be leader of Reform UK (Tommy Robinson, I think), and that the nation needs rescuing from the 'tyranny' of Starmer.

And, further... that has gone down very well with some sections of the community, too. Which I'm sure Musk - and Trump - knew it would... that is why they - or Musk - is interfering. They're not content to MAGA, they want to change the rest of the western world - it would make life much easier for them if we followed suit.

ronib

Monica Trump was very clear that his ambition for America is to be self sufficient in manufacturing and production of goods. So Uk manufacturing needs to wake up to the new boy on the block.

So the Rust Belt will become the Shiny Steel Belt?

In your dreams Dickens …. Just no way. The West needs to wake up.

I had flipped the thread, so came into it in the middle of a discussion of why Trump developed such a large following of voters that he was elected. If you ask me, it was (and still is) bcause a lot of people in the US felt dissatisfied with their lot. The prevailing ethos in the States is one of competition, of winners and losers.

It shows most clearly in the preoccupation with money - the first thing a lot of successful US people do in a social setting is to let everyone know their financial status. At a wedding in my extended family, for instance, one friend of the bride was from the States, and spent the entire wedding meal telling everyone within hearing distance how much she earned and how much her home, car, and the clothes she was wearing had cost.

However it is also there in other areas of life. It is those who win, win, win who are lauded, Those who didn't win didn't try hard enough, are lazy, were being paid by someone to lose the game. If someone gets no promotion after years of hard work, it is because they don't deserve a better job. If someone is disabled, they are not valued because they are not economically active. If they are old and slow, they are getting in the way of the young and agile.

All this competition to win means that there are far more losers than winners, and they are sore losers. They were a pushover for someone who claimed that they were being institutionally victimised and cheated by the government.

The posts on Facebook by Trump supporters are mostly by people of low levels of education and achievement who resent the "winners" who have become rich and who they think have now got their comeuppance from the Trusk duo by being "found out" stealing from the state - and thus from the public. They have found their heroes and they taunt as "whining losers" those who don't see them as heroes and instead point out their flaws and warn of the need to be watchful.