Thinking Putin wants this hero out in order to put his choice in his place. The outrageous lies spouted by Trump are surely a signal that this is exactly the plan. Kalensky has held his country together. Trump is goading him in an attempt to promote an election which can’t happen as the war is ongoing but also to force one so the corrupt connivances of Putin can weaken Ukraine.
NotSpaghetti
^Zalensky - is Trump ousting him out to make way for a Putin choice?^
I think so, yes...
And spreading lies.
Even if he won the war there is no guarantee, even Churchill was replaced, expecting Zelensky to remain is totally unrealistic.
David - Zelenskyy may well be replaced in due course but the question asked was is Trump ousting him out to make way for a Putin choice? - and I think yes he is. I didn't say I expected Zelenskyy to necessarily continue as leader.
I would expect him to be "in power" during any negotiations and until Ukraine is stable enough for elections.
NotSpaghetti
David - Zelenskyy may well be replaced in due course but the question asked was is Trump ousting him out to make way for a Putin choice? - and I think yes he is. I didn't say I expected Zelenskyy to necessarily continue as leader.
I would expect him to be "in power" during any negotiations and until Ukraine is stable enough for elections.
There will be a regime that Russia trusts, or there will be no deal
Zelensky should be given a medal for the unrelenting way he has worked, with great integrity and statemanship for his country.. When I look at his tired, strained face I feel such admiration for him..
I find the stupid, lies from Trump demeaning him as an unelected comedian absolutely disgusting...
That was the whole premise of the question thoug, surely*David*?
Exactly.
It is wrong though and engineered by Trump for his buddy Putin.
NotSpaghetti
That was the whole premise of the question thoug, surely*David*?
Exactly.
It is wrong though and engineered by Trump for his buddy Putin.
Sometimes you have to deal with the devil and accept whatever is on offer.
A free independant Ukraine isn’t on offer.
Appeasement is never a good look
David 49, then perhaps another offer should be sought which does assure a free and independent Ukraine - which is what exists at the moment in areas not occupied by Russia.
I disagree David
The removal of Zelenskyy is not for a foreign aggressor to decide.
A man who has the ear of the President of the US is making pronouncements about Zelensky, who has been praised as a hero by most of the world, calling him a dictator. How has the US reached a situation where a convicted criminal is running the show, and an unelected best friend is allowed an amazing amount of freedom? Musk's sole qualification appears to be that he is rich.
Whitewavemark2
Appeasement is never a good look
Whilst I totally agree with you Whitewavemark2 I am not sure that Europe has the stomach for the alternative - NATO at war with Russia.
LovesBach
A man who has the ear of the President of the US is making pronouncements about Zelensky, who has been praised as a hero by most of the world, calling him a dictator. How has the US reached a situation where a convicted criminal is running the show, and an unelected best friend is allowed an amazing amount of freedom? Musk's sole qualification appears to be that he is rich.
Frightening isn’t it!
Cossy
LovesBach
A man who has the ear of the President of the US is making pronouncements about Zelensky, who has been praised as a hero by most of the world, calling him a dictator. How has the US reached a situation where a convicted criminal is running the show, and an unelected best friend is allowed an amazing amount of freedom? Musk's sole qualification appears to be that he is rich.
Frightening isn’t it!
Very. I have never felt such anxiety about what is to come.
Under Biden as part of NATO it was "an unprovoked ack of aggression" by Russia with Ukraine "bravely resisting".
Trump is trying to rewrite history with Zelensky as the cause of the war with Russia. Does he really believe the majority will believe this.
It's a bit like the old joke. Man to policeman "well his face got in the way of my boot"
The countries of Europe (and that includes us) are going to have to step up or Russia will invade another country. Russia is relatively weak ATM, it is having to release convicts to fight in Ukraine but if Putin gets the sort of deal that Trump is trying to negotiate, it will give him gains in Ukraine and the opportunity to regroup before his next act of aggression.
Trump will be quite happy for Putin to take Ukraine. He thinks he may be more likely to get the mineral deal with Russia. A USA /Russian alliance would be very dangerous for Europe.
GrannyGravy13
Whitewavemark2
Appeasement is never a good look
Whilst I totally agree with you Whitewavemark2 I am not sure that Europe has the stomach for the alternative - NATO at war with Russia.
I don’t think it will come to that.
Europe needs to stand up to both bullies, offering an alternative peace deal, which does not include compromising either Ukraine’s democracy or its mineral resources.
It is absolutely outrageous what the two dictators are trying to do.
Trump is doing the same in Gaza, except in this case ethnic cleansing and annexing the land - because he thinks he can. The Middle East needs to stand up to him and stop bloody pussyfooting around the big bully.
vintage1950
David 49, then perhaps another offer should be sought which does assure a free and independent Ukraine - which is what exists at the moment in areas not occupied by Russia.
Yes most of Ukraine is free at present the problem is neither side accepts that the war will end.
If Ukraine accepts that Russia keeps what they have occupied and agrees to stop fighting with no NATO troops in any peace keeping force I don’t see any reason for the not war to end.
That does not mean they will be free of Russian influence.
Nor does it mean that Putin will stop there. He has nothing to prevent him doing so.
Remember Kamala Harris warning about the risks for Poland?
Claremont
Remember Kamala Harris warning about the risks for Poland?
Poland is on guard for sure but has a large well equipped army and is a NATO member, lets solve Ukraine first, then reinforce European defence systems
The point is david. we are not solving Ukraine.
The whole thing is being made a done deal between two dictators who are supporting each other.
Whitewavemark2
The point is david. we are not solving Ukraine.
The whole thing is being made a done deal between two dictators who are supporting each other.
POTUS and Putin can decide whatever they like but unless President Zelenskyy and his government agree, their decisions are worthless.
This is beginning to look like two little men willy waving to assert their own self importance.
Trump’s attitude towards Ukraine is all part of a much wider agenda. He wants to drive a wedge between China and Russia by appeasing, in fact positively cosying up to , Russia . The whole world order is changing and a China, Russia and , possibly, India power block could be the prospect for the future.
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