Yippee! Starmer embraces BREXIT freedoms! ✔️

FGT2 I think Europe is already beginning to twig.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

You agree with ME HPQ?

Irony alert

Ah, thought so.
Thought maybe you’d had an epiphany! 😂

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Ah, thought so.
Thought maybe you’d had an epiphany! 😂

😂😂😂😂

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Ah, thought so.
Thought maybe you’d had an epiphany! 😂

😂😂😂

Labour is considering, the PM has been urged….so says the Telegraph.
This isn’t news until it happens.

I don’t get the wetting themselves with excitement, we’ve been buying cheap, shoddy goods for years now.

I partly agree with M0nica about the people whose lives are so bland and boring that they are constantly harking back to . . . Brexit, whether they were for or against it.
As she says, Brexit is done, its over, it is now a yawn.

As I said once on a thread, it will be just a paragraph in the history books in years to come.

Brexit is not just something in the past we should forget about and never speak of again since the economic act of self harm - a country putting economic sanctions on itself - have lead to an extra shock to the economy in addition to those shocks such as the pandemic and wars we are still suffering from whether we are aware of it or not. You might as well say any historic event should be discounted and not remarked on - let’s forget the First World War or the General Strike as major events. And , yes, people do still talk about the 1966 World Cup which had far less effect on the country and its citizens.

vegansrock. I said nothing about forgetting Brexit. Just stop constantly harping on about it.

Brexit was 10 years ago, since then we have had COVID the Ukraaine War, Trump as President the growing obvious danger of Putin, more extremes of climate, an accession of 10 years of new voters on the voting list and as many falling off the other end through death.

Brexit is done and dusted, for good or ill, in the current very changed conditions our government, whoever it might be, needs to make decisions on is based on the entirely changed world we now live in and the our relations with the EU should be based on the fact that we have left the EU and thereafter decisions should be based on what serves the best interest of us and the rest of the world, now, not 10 years ago.

M0nica why do you keep repeating that Brexit was 10 years ago?

This is clearly incorrect. As I’m sure you know, the referendum was 9 years ago, and the UK officially left the EU in 2020 - so, 5 years ago!

Strange O/P Telegraph article really - seems to be a proponent for totally free trade, when POTUS is busy laying tariffs on here, there, and everywhere, and abandoning any concerns about climate change.

No thanks. Stay with Europe, keep our kite mark as well by all means, buy British is possible even if its not the cheapest option, and definitely keep up our food standards and since we buy/sell most goods to Europe, work with them not against them.

vegansrock

Brexit is not just something in the past we should forget about and never speak of again since the economic act of self harm - a country putting economic sanctions on itself - have lead to an extra shock to the economy in addition to those shocks such as the pandemic and wars we are still suffering from whether we are aware of it or not. You might as well say any historic event should be discounted and not remarked on - let’s forget the First World War or the General Strike as major events. And , yes, people do still talk about the 1966 World Cup which had far less effect on the country and its citizens.

Well said, agree completely

If only Brexit was done and dusted! As I’ve said before Brexit wasn’t done, we were done by Brexit!

Hear, hear vegansrock and Cossy👏👏👏

Claremont

But in a Democracy, a decision is never forever. Which is why we have regular elections. In a decision turns out to be a disaster on all fronts (and that it was rigged and manipulated, and had a tiny percentage in favour), then we all have a democratical right to re-consider, and find ways to limit damage. Democracy, and sheer common sense and intelligence.

The point that is missed here, is the Brexit was a referendum.

I cant see the Uk doing a referendum again, for say another 50 years.

The referendum was huge. In so many ways.
And yes, a win is a win, as others are saying.

vegansrock

Brexit is not just something in the past we should forget about and never speak of again since the economic act of self harm - a country putting economic sanctions on itself - have lead to an extra shock to the economy in addition to those shocks such as the pandemic and wars we are still suffering from whether we are aware of it or not. You might as well say any historic event should be discounted and not remarked on - let’s forget the First World War or the General Strike as major events. And , yes, people do still talk about the 1966 World Cup which had far less effect on the country and its citizens.

I didn't say it should be forgotten about or never spoken of again but it is a tiny blip in the rich tapestry of history, of our relationship with Europe.

We could start embroidering a Dover tapestry, that might help with some of the still-present feelings.

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It is also becoming clearer by the day that Brexit was linked to Russia and Poutine, in cohoots with some of our own - in order to begin the destabilisation of Europe, to divide and rule.

Cossy

If only Brexit was done and dusted! As I’ve said before Brexit wasn’t done, we were done by Brexit!

Johnson never expected to win which is why he was crestfallen when he actually did because it was all based on lies and unachievable. And yet still it is the elephant in the room because nobody will admit to have been taken in by the lies.

Nine or 10 years is neither here not there. But once time starts passing any extraction process needs to take account of all that has happened in world affairs since the vote, and 9 years out, with all the dramatic events we are dealing with at present. The referendum and the fact that we are out of the EU is just part of the background to dealing with the much more present problems posed by Ukraine, Trump, Putin, climate change and I would expect any effective governemnt to see those as the prime issues and that brexit, as an issue, has had its day. history.

Much better to fight all those issues together, as a Continent of allies, rather than isolated and torn between the two.

Claremont

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Wheniwasyourage

What always makes me wonder about those who say that we should realise that Brexit is 'done' (it isn't by any standard) and 'get over it' is that some of them never 'got over' the original vote to join what became the EU. Double standards perhaps?

I voted remain and was disappointed the leave vote won, but need to correct you Wheniwasyourage. There wasn't an initial vote to join the EU (parliament alone decided that) but there was a vote later as to whether or not to remain in the union. Labour promised in its manifesto that if elected it would hold a vote on whether or not to remain. That vote was substantially in favour of remaining.

Brexit is neither done nor dusted as long as the EU remains the largest trading block in the world with which we do more trade than anywhere else.