Yippee! Starmer embraces BREXIT freedoms! ✔️

Claremont

Much better to fight all those issues together, as a Continent of allies, rather than isolated and torn between the two.

I think the problems arose as the original ideals pre-EU became subsumed but then lost in ever-increasing bureaucracy which became cumbersome and counter-productive.
An Economic Union was fine. I remember when questions were asked about Gordon Brown's reluctance to sign the Treaty of Lisbon and many politicians of both sides have been hesitant of ever-closer ties. The Irish, too, were reluctant and held another referendum on that issue.

I think we do need closer union, especially today in such uncertain times; it depends what form that should take.

M0nica

Nine or 10 years is neither here not there. But once time starts passing any extraction process needs to take account of all that has happened in world affairs since the vote, and 9 years out, with all the dramatic events we are dealing with at present. The referendum and the fact that we are out of the EU is just part of the background to dealing with the much more present problems posed by Ukraine, Trump, Putin, climate change and I would expect any effective governemnt to see those as the prime issues and that brexit, as an issue, has had its day. history.

Anything a country does that has such a great impact on it and its peoples should take into account unforeseen events. At the end of the day, if the EU had done any of the things that vote leave threatened eg European army, Turkey joining, we could have then left.

It was all lies, to influence the vote, we all know it now.

Just a quote from Carole Cadwalladr

'Trump and Brexit are not tow different things. They are the same thing. Same Companies. Same data. Same FaceBook. Same Russians. Same Cabridge Analytica. Same Robert Mercer. Same Steve Bannon. Same Breitbart. Same Alexander Nix. Same Donald Trump. Same Nigel Farage'

Claremont

It was all lies, to influence the vote, we all know it now.

Just a quote from Carole Cadwalladr

'Trump and Brexit are not tow different things. They are the same thing. Same Companies. Same data. Same FaceBook. Same Russians. Same Cabridge Analytica. Same Robert Mercer. Same Steve Bannon. Same Breitbart. Same Alexander Nix. Same Donald Trump. Same Nigel Farage'

Precisely. Why does anyone think that someone so involved with Trump, Bannon etc will put the interests of the British people first. Why can’t people see that ?

What a misleading title for a thread. It should have read "Some people want Starmer to allow into the country the cheap rubbish goods that the EU was keeping out"

Clickbait!

MayBee70

M0nica

Nine or 10 years is neither here not there. But once time starts passing any extraction process needs to take account of all that has happened in world affairs since the vote, and 9 years out, with all the dramatic events we are dealing with at present. The referendum and the fact that we are out of the EU is just part of the background to dealing with the much more present problems posed by Ukraine, Trump, Putin, climate change and I would expect any effective governemnt to see those as the prime issues and that brexit, as an issue, has had its day. history.

Anything a country does that has such a great impact on it and its peoples should take into account unforeseen events. At the end of the day, if the EU had done any of the things that vote leave threatened eg European army, Turkey joining, we could have then left.

Personally I dont think things happened, precisely because we left.

Which also in turn, frightened some other countries as well, into considering leaving.

Tesco’s/Levi’s Elegran.
Nothing to do with cheap inflammable rubbish at all and much more to do with divergence from EU protectionism. They are indeed past masters at that, sometimes (more obviously nowadays in fast changing industries) to their own detriment. Glad we’ve cut the ropes that bind us in so many ways. Makes us more nimble.

Remember Boris and the Covid jabs?
Remember Ursula von de Leyen threatening N.I. with Article 50 over the EU debacle and scramble for vaccine? She backed down within 48 hours however IIRC.

There is something a bit weird about this thread on Levi's. Now I am quite prepared to accept that there are a few things which may be cheaper 'due to' Brexit- even though on balance, it has led to prices going up hugely.

But Levi's has nothing to do with the EU, apart that denim was first made in France for dockers (de Nimes). They are originally from San Francisco, and are made in USA, Mexico, China, Vietnam and Bangladesh.

We do remember Boris and Covid jabs- and we also remember that we were able to get them so early because we were part of the EU and before Brexit. Don't you remember that bit.
And that we paid a lot more for them than the EU who bought much larger amounts together much cheaper, and very quickly caught up.

We have friends who owned a jeans factory in the UK years ago.

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a reminder of the official disclaimer re the vaccines.

Elegran

What a misleading title for a thread. It should have read "Some people want Starmer to allow into the country the cheap rubbish goods that the EU was keeping out"

Clickbait!

👏👏

DT
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Claremont

We do remember Boris and Covid jabs- and we also remember that we were able to get them so early because we were part of the EU and before Brexit. Don't you remember that bit.
And that we paid a lot more for them than the EU who bought much larger amounts together much cheaper, and very quickly caught up.

Yes. He made out that we wouldn't've been able to vaccinate people if we'd still been in the EU which was untrue. And lets not forget that one of the first things we lost due to brexit was the medicines agency that relocated to Amsterdam losing us jobs and prestige [ we said this would happen but were ignored; it was our local Conservative party that warned us about it].

I think you are mis-remembering Claremont about the Covid vaccines.
Brexit came first.
Boris got in.
Then the pandemic.
Then the vaccines. I remember that woman on tv getting the first ever jag on tv. Just before December 2020.
I must look up her name and the details.
Tomorrow maybe.
I’m tired now & off to read my Kindle.

Found it. Only took 2 minutes:

The biggest vaccine campaign in NHS history kicked off this morning, as 90-year-old grandmother Margaret Keenan became the first person in the world to receive the Pfizer COVID-19 jab following its clinical approval.8 Dec 2020
www.england.nhs.uk
Landmark moment as first NHS patient receives COVID-19 vaccination.

And here:

People also ask
Who was the first person to have a COVID vaccine in the UK?
Maggie Keenan among millions given NHS spring COVID booster. Margaret Keenan, the first person in the world to receive an approved COVID-19 vaccine, has received her spring booster today.22 Apr 2022
www.england.nhs.uk
Maggie Keenan among millions given NHS spring COVID booster

Goodnight all. 💤

Yes, she was on the telly, I remember it well!

Claremont

We do remember Boris and Covid jabs- and we also remember that we were able to get them so early because we were part of the EU and before Brexit. Don't you remember that bit.
And that we paid a lot more for them than the EU who bought much larger amounts together much cheaper, and very quickly caught up.

Were you living here then, Claremont? I know travel was restricted as we couldn't see our family for a long time, even when vaccinated.
It was a miserable time, wasn't it. I don't think I want to be reminded.

Dr June Raine,. PRAC Chair, Director of Vigilance and Risk Management of Medicines, Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) - is the official responsible who clearly states that we were able to get the vaccine early BECAUSE (emphasis, not shouting) we were still part of EU and Brexit had NOT been implemented

Do watch the video of her explaining this, officially.

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FriedGreenTomatoes2

I think you are mis-remembering Claremont about the Covid vaccines.
Brexit came first.
Boris got in.
Then the pandemic.
Then the vaccines. I remember that woman on tv getting the first ever jag on tv. Just before December 2020.
I must look up her name and the details.
Tomorrow maybe.
I’m tired now & off to read my Kindle.

That is how I remember it at the time, it was precisely because we had exited the EU we got the vaccines early and I seem to remember the EU tried to block us. Sooooo glad we are out. I rejoiced at the time and still rejoice now.

Claremont

We do remember Boris and Covid jabs- and we also remember that we were able to get them so early because we were part of the EU and before Brexit. Don't you remember that bit.
And that we paid a lot more for them than the EU who bought much larger amounts together much cheaper, and very quickly caught up.

Johnson lied that we wouldn't have been able to vaccinate at that time if it wasn't for brexit which wasn't the case. Had we been fully still in the EU we would still have been able to vaccinate people when we did. And we hadn't fully left the EU. The EU did get a much better financial deal and weren't far behind us with their vaccination programme. I think they had concerns about the safety of the Astra Zeneca vaccine[?] which is no longer being used . Lets not forget that it was Johnson who ignored the warnings from Italy about the scale of the pandemic which resulted in many more people dying. Let the bodies pile high and all that .

BevSec

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I think you are mis-remembering Claremont about the Covid vaccines.
Brexit came first.
Boris got in.
Then the pandemic.
Then the vaccines. I remember that woman on tv getting the first ever jag on tv. Just before December 2020.
I must look up her name and the details.
Tomorrow maybe.
I’m tired now & off to read my Kindle.

That is how I remember it at the time, it was precisely because we had exited the EU we got the vaccines early and I seem to remember the EU tried to block us. Sooooo glad we are out. I rejoiced at the time and still rejoice now.

I don't think that this is correct...

MayBee70

BevSec

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I think you are mis-remembering Claremont about the Covid vaccines.
Brexit came first.
Boris got in.
Then the pandemic.
Then the vaccines. I remember that woman on tv getting the first ever jag on tv. Just before December 2020.
I must look up her name and the details.
Tomorrow maybe.
I’m tired now & off to read my Kindle.

That is how I remember it at the time, it was precisely because we had exited the EU we got the vaccines early and I seem to remember the EU tried to block us. Sooooo glad we are out. I rejoiced at the time and still rejoice now.

I don't think that this is correct...

I will try to do some research, its just that is how I remember it.

Claremont

We do remember Boris and Covid jabs- and we also remember that we were able to get them so early because we were part of the EU and before Brexit. Don't you remember that bit.
And that we paid a lot more for them than the EU who bought much larger amounts together much cheaper, and very quickly caught up.

UK left EU at midnight on 31/01/2020

The EU were concerned that the UK was hogging some vaccine, but they did that because the EU puts it's members first and we were no longer members. There isn't much that I don't remember about the pandemic because it is etched in my memory in much the same way that the leave campaign lies are. There was no way that the EU could have stopped us vaccinating people. Quite happy to be proved wrong, though.

You do need to watch the video- from the expert in charge. We were able to access the vaccine because we were still under EU medical cooperation, as Brexit had not been implemented at the time.

Watch Dr June Raine, don't listen to me. She was Head of the MHRA at the time, so knows much better than me.

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