Yippee! Starmer embraces BREXIT freedoms! ✔️

cdn.jwplayer.com/previews/H9kmIH4Y gets you in

Thank you, the initial link I posted worked, but I copy and pasted it and it didn't. The facts are very clear however- despite the claims made by Johnson and others at the time.

A (very) quick google search had Matt Hancock saying the UK got the vaccines early because of Brexit. He was health secretary at the time so I assume he must have known?

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Found it. Only took 2 minutes:

The biggest vaccine campaign in NHS history kicked off this morning, as 90-year-old grandmother Margaret Keenan became the first person in the world to receive the Pfizer COVID-19 jab following its clinical approval.8 Dec 2020
www.england.nhs.uk
Landmark moment as first NHS patient receives COVID-19 vaccination.

And here:

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Maggie Keenan among millions given NHS spring COVID booster. Margaret Keenan, the first person in the world to receive an approved COVID-19 vaccine, has received her spring booster today.22 Apr 2022
www.england.nhs.uk
Maggie Keenan among millions given NHS spring COVID booster

Goodnight all. 💤

Not everyone was enamoured by the EUs response to the pandemic.
This little gem from a Dutch liberal lawmaker when Von de Leyen was questioned on her response.
she made a couple of big fat mistakes. Article 16 was one, her tendency to speak only to German media another

www.euractiv.com/section/health-consumers/news/meps-grill-von-der-leyen-over-shaky-covid-19-vaccine-strategy/

BevSec

A (very) quick google search had Matt Hancock saying the UK got the vaccines early because of Brexit. He was health secretary at the time so I assume he must have known?

I don’t think that’s correct. Hancock was as reliable as Johnson when it came to telling the truth.

BevSec

A (very) quick google search had Matt Hancock saying the UK got the vaccines early because of Brexit. He was health secretary at the time so I assume he must have known?

And the very reason Dr Raine chose to very publicly deny his and Johnson's false statements, as THE expert in charge.

Here we are, all these years later, and still the same old lies are being trotted out.

According to Darwin.
It is not the most intellectual of the species that survives.
It is not the strongest that survive.
But the species that survives is the one that is able best to adapt and adjust to the changing environment that it finds itself.

A quick Google of Full Fact disproves this oft repeated lie, the facts, figures, relevance dates are all there. I am on my phone so can't copy link. If anyone has doubts, I will provide the links tomorrow. I really don't have an issue with people having a differing opinion to me, but I get irritated when lies are spread.

HousePlantQueen

Here we are, all these years later, and still the same old lies are being trotted out.

But that applies to sooo many things nowadays in present and past politics.

MayBee70

BevSec

A (very) quick google search had Matt Hancock saying the UK got the vaccines early because of Brexit. He was health secretary at the time so I assume he must have known?

I don’t think that’s correct. Hancock was as reliable as Johnson when it came to telling the truth.

It depends who we are all likely to think is telling the truth according to our leanings! I do respect those of us on here who have different views to me and respect their right to those beliefs, but they do not affect the who I choose to believe. Xxx

Yes, mollygo, there are lots of lies, past and present, but that does not make repeating them right.

My small contribution is to call out the easily disproved ones

The trouble is a lot of lies are now so ingrained in people’s minds that they have become facts. And no matter how many times they’re disputed people still believe them.

MayBee70

The trouble is a lot of lies are now so ingrained in people’s minds that they have become facts. And no matter how many times they’re disputed people still believe them.

I know, I often read them on GN about this and previous governments, MPs and PMs.

If we are talking of truth. Maggie Keenan was not the first person in this country to have a COVID jab. She was the first person to receive it after the official immunisation campaign was rolled out.

Before that tens of thousands of people in this country received is as part of the trials for the safety and efficacy of the COVID vaccination. Every one of them a volunteer. DH was one of them.

A lot of people think that if something is said enough times by many people then it is a fact. Sadly they do not know what the meaning of the word fact actually is.

Even real facts get distorted or incorrectly reported. If ever you have been at an event in person that then gets reported in the papers you will be aware that there are flaws in the report. If this happens with something you personally know about then it must happen with other reports. You can’t take anything as gospel. This is where GN is useful when posters tell you things from their personal knowledge and experience.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/comment/covid-vaccine-decisions-brexit

*Covid vaccine decisions have little to do with Brexit
Brexit isn’t the reason why the UK has managed the feat of becoming the first Western country to approve a Covid vaccine*

This article is very good as it examines all the why's and wherefores factors for both the UK and the EU getting and using vaccines. It does point out The UK could have followed the same course of vaccine action if it were an EU member as EU members were free to take their own path.

"Similarly, the member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme. The EU has very limited competences for public health under its founding treaties: it can take action only to “support, coordinate or supplement the actions of the Member States”.

The EU member states in this case voluntarily decided to opt into the joint procurement scheme. If one or more of them had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them

^The UK could have followed the same course of vaccine aThe UK could have followed the same course of vaccine action if it were an EU memberction if it were an EU member.

We were still an EU member. We were in the transition period and still bound by EU regulations. WE didn't leave until the end of December 2020. All the vaccine development and the roll out occurred before we actually left.
Just because Johnson lied and lied about it being because of Brexit doesn't make it true.

Any apologies for the misinformation?

Your comment bit ambiguous. Do you support Trump????

Wow, how rude, everyone is entitled to their opinion without the personal attacks!

tootsiehughie

Your comment bit ambiguous. Do you support Trump????

Who? Me? Think you may be on the wrong thread. If not, I can assure you there is nothing ambiguous about my opinion of Trump!

Hear hear! Brexit was a self imposed disaster.

Out of interest, how many people here think there will be a referendum on the subject again, within say the 30 years?

tootsiehughie

Your comment bit ambiguous. Do you support Trump????

Is this question relevant to a discussion on Brexit and the EU? Or is it an ambiguous use-anywhere post which you throw into any conversation to make trouble? This is your first-ever post on Gransnet. Are you going to tell us anything about YOUR views on Trump (or anything else) and chatting about it, or are you just here to either 1) bully us into supporting Trump, or 2) Bully us into not supporting Trump ?