Yippee! Starmer embraces BREXIT freedoms! ✔️

Or maybe say 20?

Personally, I am not convinced there will ever be one on the subject ever again.
Time, life, circumstances, people and Politics and their MPs all move on.

I also dont think the Uk will have a referendum on anything at all, within 40 years.

Onedaysoon

Wow, how rude, everyone is entitled to their opinion without the personal attacks!

But we’re debating truth versus fiction, not personal opinions. Something is either true or it is a lie. And just repeating a lie constantly ( eg Johnson’s claim re the vaccination programme which he repeated in parliament over and over again) doesn’t make it true.

MayBee70

Onedaysoon

Wow, how rude, everyone is entitled to their opinion without the personal attacks!

But we’re debating truth versus fiction, not personal opinions. Something is either true or it is a lie. And just repeating a lie constantly ( eg Johnson’s claim re the vaccination programme which he repeated in parliament over and over again) doesn’t make it true.

Agreed, and these are not 'personal attacks' , this is a robust discussion, and nobody is being rude. Maybe have a read through a few threads before jumping in with both feet? Just to see how we do things here?

Claremont

There is something a bit weird about this thread on Levi's. Now I am quite prepared to accept that there are a few things which may be cheaper 'due to' Brexit- even though on balance, it has led to prices going up hugely.

But Levi's has nothing to do with the EU, apart that denim was first made in France for dockers (de Nimes). They are originally from San Francisco, and are made in USA, Mexico, China, Vietnam and Bangladesh.

Hi Claremont

This was an EU issue, all around the protection of trademarks, which are referred to in the OP. In the late 90s, Tesco started a campaign against Levi (and other premium US brands) who would not sell directly to them as a discount retailer. Tesco began to buy up Levis from third-party wholesalers outside of the US/EU (on the so-called grey market). Levi Strauss took Tesco to court, claiming an infringement of their trademark, which included the right to choose who to sell too etc.
UK courts referred the case to the European court of justice - their judgment was in favor of Levi, but they referred the case back to the UK High Court for the final decision.
In 2002 the UK high court upheld Levi Strauss's right to decide how its brand is distributed in Britain and at what cost.
Of course nobody could foresee the impact that the internet would have on retailing in the subsequent years. People could shop all over Europe without having to pay duties (through the Free Market) while enjoying all of the protection that came with knowing that if they bought something that said it was Levi, there was a very good chance that it was. That of course, is what we decided as a country that we would rather live without.
I am personally pleased to live in a country that respects and preserves the protection given to both manufacturers and consumers from trademarks and other legislation. Of course it adds a cost, I happen to think it’s a cost worth paying. But of course that’s just my opinion.

Well written lahlah65 I completely agree.

Surely it’s up to the buyer to make sure they spend on quality.

fancythat

Out of interest, how many people here think there will be a referendum on the subject again, within say the 30 years?

I suppose it all depends if there is still an EU in any form in 30 years' time.

I hadnt even thought of that!

Wyllow3

cdn.jwplayer.com/previews/H9kmIH4Y gets you in

It's not a matter of opinion. The Tories lied about it- and the Dr/expert in charge corrected the lie and told the facts.

Nothing to debate here.

So, while we are on the subject of BREXIT, and since you are a Reform voter, I guess you will have an opinion on the Reform MP Nathan Gill in court today accused of taking Russian bribes, as an MEP in the European Parliament, to promote the Russian viewpoint during the Leave campaign. Taking Russian bribes, does that not make him a Traitor? At the very least it impacts the morality of the Leave campaign.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Just now, in The Telegraph:

“Labour is considering scrapping legacy EU laws which are empowering big companies to “overcharge” shoppers and the NHS.

The Prime Minister has been urged to take advantage of Brexit freedoms to revoke the rules that impose an “artificial tax” on consumers.

Britain still follows EU trademark rules which prevent retailers and public services from shopping around the world for the cheapest goods.

The regulations give global brands total control over their supply chains meaning they can insist UK firms only buy from wholesalers in Europe.

An official impact assessment has found that as a result shoppers are paying inflated prices for goods like electronics, cosmetics, books and clothing.

Studies have suggested the restrictions are adding around 10 per cent to the price of branded products and costing the NHS hundreds of millions a year.“

This delights me!

So tired of these half baked headlines which are used in these sort of posts. Much like the “1 in 12 people who are “immigrants ” in London which was factually incorrect. (Seem to remember a post on this with the gleeful comment of “let that sink in” or something similar. DM/Telegraph had to print an apology.
I can only assume quoting these excerpts from GB News,Daily Telegraph/Daily Mail gives the poster(s) a thrill of excitement when they generate a lot of responses🤦‍♀️

It's beyond tedious. We aren't fools, we can read a paper and browse a website.

We don't need to be fed a steady diet of extreme right wing views day in day out.

I can only assume there is some sort of pay off for this activity. Some sort of popularity contest or something perhaps? Preaching to an already converted audience, head girl.

glasshalffullagain

It's beyond tedious. We aren't fools, we can read a paper and browse a website.

We don't need to be fed a steady diet of extreme right wing views day in day out.

I can only assume there is some sort of pay off for this activity. Some sort of popularity contest or something perhaps? Preaching to an already converted audience, head girl.

👏👏well said

Menopauselbitch

Surely it’s up to the buyer to make sure they spend on quality.

Don’t you need regulations to understand if something is of the quality you assume it to be?

Maremia

So, while we are on the subject of BREXIT, and since you are a Reform voter, I guess you will have an opinion on the Reform MP Nathan Gill in court today accused of taking Russian bribes, as an MEP in the European Parliament, to promote the Russian viewpoint during the Leave campaign. Taking Russian bribes, does that not make him a Traitor? At the very least it impacts the morality of the Leave campaign.

So many links with Russia aren’t there .

I still don't understand how the OP went from the Telegraph's "Labour is considering . . ." and "The Prime Minister has been urged to . . ." to creating the title of this thread, "Yippee! Starmer embraces BREXIT freedoms!"

Not even "Starmer might embrace . . ." which could even become true, if the "freedoms" were worth embracing, but straight in there with a fait accompli. Wishful thinking?

glasshalffullagain

It's beyond tedious. We aren't fools, we can read a paper and browse a website.

We don't need to be fed a steady diet of extreme right wing views day in day out.

I can only assume there is some sort of pay off for this activity. Some sort of popularity contest or something perhaps? Preaching to an already converted audience, head girl.

Why not start other threads?
I've never noticed that you have done so or even posted with an alternative viewpoint. Apologies if I've missed them.

Exactly who is the already converted audience and who is the head girl please?
Not at all clear.

glasshalffullagain

It's beyond tedious. We aren't fools, we can read a paper and browse a website.

We don't need to be fed a steady diet of extreme right wing views day in day out.

I can only assume there is some sort of pay off for this activity. Some sort of popularity contest or something perhaps? Preaching to an already converted audience, head girl.

Hear, hear👏👏👏

It’s clear to me what glasshalffullagain means. Thanks

petra

According to Darwin.
It is not the most intellectual of the species that survives.
It is not the strongest that survive.
But the species that survives is the one that is able best to adapt and adjust to the changing environment that it finds itself.

In which case all the people not accepting and adapting to the fact that we are now out of the EU ( not Europe) are doomed.
🤭

Allira

glasshalffullagain

It's beyond tedious. We aren't fools, we can read a paper and browse a website.

We don't need to be fed a steady diet of extreme right wing views day in day out.

I can only assume there is some sort of pay off for this activity. Some sort of popularity contest or something perhaps? Preaching to an already converted audience, head girl.

Why not start other threads?
I've never noticed that you have done so or even posted with an alternative viewpoint. Apologies if I've missed them.

Exactly who is the already converted audience and who is the head girl please?
Not at all clear.

Not clear and peculiar tbh.
There’s quite often a steady drip feed of left wing views so why not a few right wing views, it’s all about balance.
No idea what already converted audience means and who indeed is head girl on this forum?I need to know so I can ask if I can hand the pencils out.

Oreo

Allira

glasshalffullagain

It's beyond tedious. We aren't fools, we can read a paper and browse a website.

We don't need to be fed a steady diet of extreme right wing views day in day out.

I can only assume there is some sort of pay off for this activity. Some sort of popularity contest or something perhaps? Preaching to an already converted audience, head girl.

Why not start other threads?
I've never noticed that you have done so or even posted with an alternative viewpoint. Apologies if I've missed them.

Exactly who is the already converted audience and who is the head girl please?
Not at all clear.

Not clear and peculiar tbh.
There’s quite often a steady drip feed of left wing views so why not a few right wing views, it’s all about balance.
No idea what already converted audience means and who indeed is head girl on this forum?I need to know so I can ask if I can hand the pencils out.

If it wasn't so unpleasant, it could be funny.
But then is it a peculiar characteristic of the British that they like to moan?

Going on threads to complain about the OP (both heading and poster) instead of ignoring the threads and starting other threads which might be more to there liking is all very odd.

their not there

I don’t understand why so many of the people that bang on about how great the UK is, and how we’ve got our sovereignty back etc etc are so gleeful every time they think that the government have messed up in some way.

Nathan Gill was very prominent in the Brexit campaign as UKIP MEP and UKIP AM, then resigned as UKIP AM and said he would stand as an Independent AM but remain as UKIP MEP. Then he joined the Brexit Party. Then became leader of Reform in Wales but has now quit the party. Are you with me or yet?

It might seem that Mr Gill isn't at all sure of who or what he is. He faces eight charges of bribery and one charge of conspiracy to commit bribery. He is now on bail and will appear at The Old Bailey in March.

MayBee70

Maremia

So, while we are on the subject of BREXIT, and since you are a Reform voter, I guess you will have an opinion on the Reform MP Nathan Gill in court today accused of taking Russian bribes, as an MEP in the European Parliament, to promote the Russian viewpoint during the Leave campaign. Taking Russian bribes, does that not make him a Traitor? At the very least it impacts the morality of the Leave campaign.

So many links with Russia aren’t there .

Apologies, I meant to quote Maremia's post as mine was relating to that one.