Nothing but nothing, can excuse Israel breaking the cease-fire in Gaza

I disagree

Nobody more qualified to say 'this is genocide' than Mr Kapos. A man who has lived through the holocaust.

He has a right to his opinion

What terrible disrespect for an 87 year old holocaust survivor Annie. And even more so if you have not bothered, or even refused, to listen to him.

Anniebach

I disagree

You disagree with Jewish specialist historians, and with a holocaust survivor. This is shameful- and I have a right to my opinion too.

The link wouldn’t open, perhaps one has to be a member of Facebook

Quote Claremont Fri 21-Mar-25 19:40:57
Anniebach
I disagree
You disagree with Jewish specialist historians, and with a holocaust survivor. This is shameful- and I have a right to my opinion too.

As do I

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The first link didn't open but the second did and describes perfectly what genocide is by a specialist on the subject.
What is happening in Gaza is genocide.

Anniebach, the link works if, when you see the panel asking you to log in or sign up to Facebook, you click on the small x in the corner. You can then view it without being a member. (Tried it on DH’s computer and he isn’t on Facebook).

Quote Claremont Fri 21-Mar-25 19:48:18
As Dave Allen used to say 'may your God be with you'- and you will have to answer for opinions that support this genocide to Him.

Good grief, this is so out of control , definitely hysteria

Anniebach

Quote Claremont Fri 21-Mar-25 19:48:18
As Dave Allen used to say 'may your God be with you'- and you will have to answer for opinions that support this genocide to Him.

Good grief, this is so out of control , definitely hysteria

Yes, OTT isn’t it?
I couldn’t tell if she meant you’d have to ‘answer for your opinions’ to Dave Allen or not.
I don’t believe it’s genocide btw.

I didn't believe it was before, but the set of circumstances now,

with the new regime including ministers who have insisted Netanyahu resume bombing as part of their alliance with him to hold onto power and break the cease fire and break the negotiations

the stopping of aid to Gaza

clearing by military force a huge chunk of Gaza as a "buffer zone"

the levels of bombing of non military targets

bombing in the knowledge of high numbers of women, children, the elderly, with dubious targets

the clear knowledge they are working with the US government in long term total "clearance" of Gaza

its now clear to me this is genocide

There can’t be clearance tho Wyllow3 as there is nowhere for them to go, other countries nearby are quite clear on that, nobody wants to import trouble into their own country.
I don’t think targets are dubious as they know where senior hamas figures are.
The bombing and ground forces and stopping aid are to get hamas to release hostages and if they won’t then things will get even worse for them.The language that hamas understands.

But Oreo we can't get past the fact that Netanyahu 's new coalition meant that he had committed to go back to bombing and stopping aid whatever the circumstances because Ben-Gvir gave it as a condition of the coalition.

Genocide, btw, is defined a partial or whole act and as I said I now believe it has crossed the line. The murdered civilians, continuing to move and squeeze the populations, cutting off aid, all point to this conclusion.

The language that exterminates a whole people. Genocide.

I was listening to the Rest is Politics podcast with R Stewart and A Campbell. They reckon that Hamas can’t afford to hand back the remaining hostages. If they do, Israel will launch ever more massive attacks on Gaza.

That's just an excuse.

What a mess it all is. Maybe ‘All’s fair in love and war’ should read ‘All’s unfair in love and war’. Both sides have blood on their hands, sickening.

But after what has just happened - ie heavy bombing, a breaking of the cease fire, a regime formed with a direct commitment to war right now

Is it surprising if Hamas felt that?

Whats why people are out in the streets in Israel against the new coalition.

"That's why"

Hamas is evil. Its stated goal is to rid the world of Jews. A survey taken just after the October 7 massacre showed that 75% of Gazans supported it. Meanwhile, Israel gives ample warning of its attacks in Gaza so that civilians have the opportunity to seek shelter elsewhere. Hamas likes to hide among the civilians so that they can claim Israel is deliberately killing innocent women & children. There could be peace in Gaza tomorrow if Hamas would give up the rest of the hostages & agree to withdraw from any political role in the new government. No other Arab country will accept refugees from Gaza because they don't want Hamas either. Hamas is a genocidal terrorist organization & is happy to cause the death of thousands of Palestinian Arab, including women & children, in furtherance of their genocidal cause. There will be no peace in Gaza as long as Hamas exists.

Israel has not given warnings of its latest attacks.

Hamas' claim that Israel is killing innocent women and children is true.

There would be no peace in Gaza if Hamas gave up its remaining hostages because Netanyahu doesn't want peace. He would walk into Gaza and take it over as part of Israel.