Nothing but nothing, can excuse Israel breaking the cease-fire in Gaza

Anniebach these questions are being asked in The Times of Israel and pretty much every other newspaper. Are you suggesting that they are also trying to excuse the vile actions of Hamas on 07/10?

Claremont

Anniebach

The BBC documentary come to mind

You mean the Film which won an Oscar for being the best Documentary of the year? Did you watch it btw?

Oh yes, the film pulled by the BBC as it was made by a film company that paid a hamas family.The boy’s father and other family members.So totally true and unbiased.[

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Aveline

There will never be peace there.

Probably not total peace but the end of what’s happening now and the end of hamas control in Gaza.

Totally the opposite. Every bomb, every death- means that more 'terrorists' are made, day by day. If they continue to be killed, and those who survive are forced out without a right to return- peace will never happen, and the retaliation against Israel will be huge. And probably will take us all down with them.

Do you really think that those who are forced out will just go and live elsewhere (where???) peacefully with peace and joy in their heart. And do you really think that other Arab Muslims in the region will accept what has happened, and be ready to live and let live in a Palestine which was created by 50000 + of deaths, bombs, torture, and worse - and live around in Peace?

If you do believe this, you are extremely naïve and totally out of touch with the realities of the Middle East.

Where do I say that Gazans should be forced out?
As for other Arab Muslims in the region, they don’t want Palestinians coming to live in their countries.
I actually said, as opposed to whatever you choose to think I said that there won’t be total peace ( terrorists pop up like mushrooms) but this conflict will end, Gaza will be rebuilt and hamas will have no more political clout there.I didn’t say it would be Paradise on earth.

As for petitions and protests in Israel by the friends and relatives and concerned people to try and get the hostages back, it’s understandable and I’d be there with them if it were my friend or relative languishing in a hamas tunnel.
Goverments however concerned about their citizens have to do their level best to release them from the terrorists by whatever method they think will work best, which isn’t always by caving to their every demand.

Quote Claremont Sun 23-Mar-25 11:43:19
Yes, the one that won an Oscar for best documentary or the year and has been watched by millions across the world.

And I am quite sure that you have not watched it either.

I watched the documentary on Gaza narrated by children of
Hamas government officials, I posted on the the thread on GransNet, very few threads before documentary was pulled

You seem confused , Gaza and West Bank, or you are saying
Hamas is government of West Bank ?

Rula

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This is true of op ed articles and blogs, I am referring to it's main section articles, I could also quote from Haaretz and other National newspapers.

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Claremont

Oreo

Aveline

There will never be peace there.

Probably not total peace but the end of what’s happening now and the end of hamas control in Gaza.

Totally the opposite. Every bomb, every death- means that more 'terrorists' are made, day by day. If they continue to be killed, and those who survive are forced out without a right to return- peace will never happen, and the retaliation against Israel will be huge. And probably will take us all down with them.

Do you really think that those who are forced out will just go and live elsewhere (where???) peacefully with peace and joy in their heart. And do you really think that other Arab Muslims in the region will accept what has happened, and be ready to live and let live in a Palestine which was created by 50000 + of deaths, bombs, torture, and worse - and live around in Peace?

If you do believe this, you are extremely naïve and totally out of touch with the realities of the Middle East.

Where do I say that Gazans should be forced out?
As for other Arab Muslims in the region, they don’t want Palestinians coming to live in their countries.
I actually said, as opposed to whatever you choose to think I said that there won’t be total peace ( terrorists pop up like mushrooms) but this conflict will end, Gaza will be rebuilt and hamas will have no more political clout there.I didn’t say it would be Paradise on earth.

You didn't say it. But they did! Netanyahu, and Trump- that is their plan.

No confusion AnnieB. The West Bank is just as much at risk as Gaza now.

Quote Claremont Sun 23-Mar-25 13:46:49
Oreo
Claremont
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Aveline
There will never be peace there.
Probably not total peace but the end of what’s happening now and the end of hamas control in Gaza.
Totally the opposite. Every bomb, every death- means that more 'terrorists' are made, day by day. If they continue to be killed, and those who survive are forced out without a right to return- peace will never happen, and the retaliation against Israel will be huge. And probably will take us all down with them.

Do you really think that those who are forced out will just go and live elsewhere (where???) peacefully with peace and joy in their heart. And do you really think that other Arab Muslims in the region will accept what has happened, and be ready to live and let live in a Palestine which was created by 50000 + of deaths, bombs, torture, and worse - and live around in Peace?

If you do believe this, you are extremely naïve and totally out of touch with the realities of the Middle East.
Where do I say that Gazans should be forced out?
As for other Arab Muslims in the region, they don’t want Palestinians coming to live in their countries.
I actually said, as opposed to whatever you choose to think I said that there won’t be total peace ( terrorists pop up like mushrooms) but this conflict will end, Gaza will be rebuilt and hamas will have no more political clout there.I didn’t say it would be Paradise on earth.
You didn't say it. But they did! Netanyahu, and Trump- that is their plan.

No confusion AnnieB. The West Bank is just as much at risk as Gaza now.

With a Hamas government !

Anniebach, re a previous discussion we had, The Israeli Defence Minister has just sent to the people of Gaza, a 'final warning' to leave their homes or face obliteration.
Sounds like genocide to me.

Maremia I'm not sure what the source of that is, but if it's true, it certainly sounds like genocide. A difference between Israel and Hamas is that Israel has the military capability to carry out its threats.

growstuff

Maremia I'm not sure what the source of that is, but if it's true, it certainly sounds like genocide. A difference between Israel and Hamas is that Israel has the military capability to carry out its threats.

It was last Wednesday.
On Wednesday, Israel escalated the violence as its troops pushed deeper into Gaza, with Israeli defence minister Israel Katz issuing a “final warning” to the people in Gazans that unless the hostages were returned and the Hamas militant group eliminated, “the alternative is complete destruction and devastation”.
Independent 19th March

Have Hamas returned the hostages?

Quote Maremia Sun 23-Mar-25 15:42:22
Anniebach, re a previous discussion we had, The Israeli Defence Minister has just sent to the people of Gaza, a 'final warning' to leave their homes or face obliteration.
Sounds like genocide to me.

I question why . Their faith, their skin colour, or return of hostages both alive and dead , Hamas ?
I believe the latter two which is not genocide

What's left of them after Israeli barrages

If they release the hostages and then it continues we will know the answer.

Sorry Anniebach, I'm not sure what your recent response means.

The children of Gaza, who are being killed, have no control over Hamas, but they will be included in the genocide.

Allira

growstuff

Maremia I'm not sure what the source of that is, but if it's true, it certainly sounds like genocide. A difference between Israel and Hamas is that Israel has the military capability to carry out its threats.

It was last Wednesday.
On Wednesday, Israel escalated the violence as its troops pushed deeper into Gaza, with Israeli defence minister Israel Katz issuing a “final warning” to the people in Gazans that unless the hostages were returned and the Hamas militant group eliminated, “the alternative is complete destruction and devastation”.
Independent 19th March

Have Hamas returned the hostages?

Thanks Allira. I found it after I posted. I've also read that Gazans are being "helped" by Israel to leave "voluntarily" while threats to bomb even more land are ongoing. I don't understand how anybody can deny this is genocide.

The Egyptians came up with the basis of a perfectly reasonable peace deal, but the Israelis wouldn't accept it, so they're now behaving like murderous bullies. There is no way Hams will release any surviving hostages in those circumstances, so the end result will be the loss of the hostages but Israel will have annexed Gaza in its entirety and the West Bank will be next.

Anniebach

Quote Maremia Sun 23-Mar-25 15:42:22
Anniebach, re a previous discussion we had, The Israeli Defence Minister has just sent to the people of Gaza, a 'final warning' to leave their homes or face obliteration.
Sounds like genocide to me.

I question why . Their faith, their skin colour, or return of hostages both alive and dead , Hamas ?
I believe the latter two which is not genocide

You quite obviously don't even understand what genocide is.

I don't want to believe it is genocide, but if the hostages were to be released and the bombing still continued, I would have to concede that it is.

What I don't understand is, that if Israeli troops are on the ground in Gaza, surely they can ensure precision attacks on Hamas targets without bombing civilians? That would make the fighting more focused and less destructive.

This is the definition of genocide used by the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum:

The legal term “genocide” refers to certain acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. Genocide is an international crime, according to the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (1948). The acts that constitute genocide fall into five categories:

"Killing members of the group

Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group

Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction, in whole or in part

Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group

Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group"

Anniebach How can you in all seriousness deny that is what is happening in Gaza?

PS. You wont even bother to try and answer - you'll just churn out some 'non sequitur' statement.

escaped

I don't want to believe it is genocide, but if the hostages were to be released and the bombing still continued, I would have to concede that it is.

What I don't understand is, that if Israeli troops are on the ground in Gaza, surely they can ensure precision attacks on Hamas targets without bombing civilians? That would make the fighting more focused and less destructive.

That's what's happening whether the hostages are released or not.

You're right that the Israelis could ensure precision attacks - maybe the issue is that they don't want to. They're quite happy to destroy even more property and lives. It's barbaric.

Two million people live in Gaza. 50 thousand have died. Awful result of war. Innocents suffering.

I believe that the definition of genocide must have changed over the years. Surely Israel would just have bombed Palestine into oblivion. Which it obviously hasn't.

I would have assumed that a genocidal act would not give warnings, evacuation facilitation. I wouldn't have thought a genocidal aggressor would pause bombings for children to be vaccinated.

I've lived in Israel. I was working to assist Palestinians going into Israel for medical treatment. Which was ongoing until October 7th. Which was a genocidal act by Hamas and some civilians.

There is very little understanding amongst contributors on this site. Thank goodness for the few who do understand.

They could have very easily stopped the October attack. The had warning, intelligence and all the security cameras and very precise ammuntions and drones to do so in minutes- and plenty of time to do so.

Quote Rula Sun 23-Mar-25 19:56:25
Two million people live in Gaza. 50 thousand have died. Awful result of war. Innocents suffering.

I believe that the definition of genocide must have changed over the years. Surely Israel would just have bombed Palestine into oblivion. Which it obviously hasn't.

I would have assumed that a genocidal act would not give warnings, evacuation facilitation. I wouldn't have thought a genocidal aggressor would pause bombings for children to be vaccinated.

I've lived in Israel. I was working to assist Palestinians going into Israel for medical treatment. Which was ongoing until October 7th. Which was a genocidal act by Hamas and some civilians.

There is very little understanding amongst contributors on this site. Thank goodness for the few who do understand.

Thank you Rula Thank you