Nothing but nothing, can excuse Israel breaking the cease-fire in Gaza

Rula

Two million people live in Gaza. 50 thousand have died. Awful result of war. Innocents suffering.

I believe that the definition of genocide must have changed over the years. Surely Israel would just have bombed Palestine into oblivion. Which it obviously hasn't.

I would have assumed that a genocidal act would not give warnings, evacuation facilitation. I wouldn't have thought a genocidal aggressor would pause bombings for children to be vaccinated.

I've lived in Israel. I was working to assist Palestinians going into Israel for medical treatment. Which was ongoing until October 7th. Which was a genocidal act by Hamas and some civilians.

There is very little understanding amongst contributors on this site. Thank goodness for the few who do understand.

What do you think the original definition of genocide was? How has it changed over the years?

I'm sure you're aware that the term "genocide" was coined in 1943. The Holocaust Memorial Museum's definition is the original.

How can you deny that what Israel is now doing is "deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction, in whole or in part". Over 80% of Gaza's infrastructure has been destroyed. Israel has denied Gazans essential food and medication since the beginning of the war. The sole aim is to clear the area of Palestinians - that's genocide.

The Hamas attack on 7th October was horrendous, but it wasn't genocide. What the Israelis are doing now, especially in the last week, is.

Claremont an Oscar winner !

BBC News
Published
27 February 2025
Updated 28 February 2025
The BBC has apologised and admitted "serious flaws" in the making of a documentary about children's lives in Gaza.
The documentary, Gaza: How to Survive a War Zone, was pulled from iPlayer last week after it emerged its 13-year-old narrator was the son of a Hamas official.
It said it has "no plans to broadcast the programme again in its current form or return it to iPlayer".
Hoyo Films, the production company that made the documentary for the BBC, said it felt it was "important to hear from voices that haven't been represented onscreen throughout the war with dignity and respect".
The company added it was "cooperating fully" with the BBC to "help understand where mistakes have been made".
The BBC removed the documentary after concerns were raised that it centred on a boy called Abdullah who is the son of Hamas's deputy minister of agriculture. Hamas is proscribed as a terrorist organisation by the UK and others.

And Netanyahu isn’t allowed into the UK is he so he isn’t exactly squeaky clean.

Does he want to come to the UK

We don't want murderous bullies like him here. Perhaps you'd like to visit him in Israel though Anniebach as you're so obviously a friend?

We’ve had plenty of murderous bullies in the past being welcomed here with State Banquets and all sorts ……

May wrongs don't make a right

Talking of wrongs, Israel is doing nothing wrong attaching the highest level of importance to getting hostages back. It's not possible for anyone to talk with Hamas, so Israel sees fighting it out with weapons as the only way possible. I can understand that, and I don't consider that wrong.

What does concern me, and something is definitely going wrong here, is how medicines treatment and water can't easily be delivered to Palestinians. Releasing the hostages might miraculously make this happen, and to my mind it is so worth a try.

escaped well said, I couldn’t agree more.

Oreo

Claremont

Anniebach

The BBC documentary come to mind

You mean the Film which won an Oscar for being the best Documentary of the year? Did you watch it btw?

Oh yes, the film pulled by the BBC as it was made by a film company that paid a hamas family.The boy’s father and other family members.So totally true and unbiased.[

Obviously a case of selective memory. This amuses me in that people assume we aren’t ware of these facts.

All in the so called 'Holy Land'.
Jesus wept.

Thank you escaped the brutality we have witnessed when the hostages were released must has caused much distress and anger and caused complete lack of ability to trust in any agreement with Hamas.

We read here that Israel planned for that attack October 2023,
Israel are aiming bombs at women and children , if true more women and children are killed where the men ?

When I spoke of the large number of men leaping and shouting at the hostages being released it was said here they were forced to do so by Hamas.

Children were dying of malnutrition yet only signs of malnutrition was so obvious in the hostages.

Even the BBC won an Oscar for a documentary on Gaza, regardless of the fact the BBC withdrew the documentary on
Gaza and apologised for it.

I am verbally attacked for questioning these claims , unlike several here I do. Not have friends in Israel. I questioned what Hamas claims

Nobody has attacked you verbally. What some of us are saying, that you seem to only care about the (real and diabolical) suffering of one side- and not a jot about the suffering of the other women and children, on the other side, which is happening to many 1000s more. As if some are not 'worthy' of our care, sub-human, somewhat. (reminds anyone of other times?).

Women and children yet again. Hamas releases alleged number of women and children , 2023 Israel we read number
killed, number of hostages .

Can only be , if numbers true, men are hidden in tunnels which were build for and by Hamas !

Claremont

Nobody has attacked you verbally. What some of us are saying, that you seem to only care about the (real and diabolical) suffering of one side- and not a jot about the suffering of the other women and children, on the other side, which is happening to many 1000s more. As if some are not 'worthy' of our care, sub-human, somewhat. (reminds anyone of other times?).

What some of us are saying, that you seem to only care about the (real and diabolical) suffering of one side

I think, from reading several threads, that could be said of several posters about either side in this conflict.

Any road towards a peaceful settlement seems to have disappeared, especially since Trump was elected.

I think Trump has given "permission/backing" for the idea of "clearing "^them^" out" and for the hardliners to now act as they are, and has damaged fragile peace prospects.

Peace prospect with Hamas !

I do not accept the Israeli government knew of the attack October 2023 and even moved Israelis closer for Hamas to attack more easily.

I know it is not true that the BBC received an Oscar for the documentary they withdrew and apologised for showing,

This is not defending anyone involved in the nightmare. I am saying what I believe is true or not, if many can believe the
Israeli Government were complicit in the Oct 2023 attack , I am at liberty to say i do not believe it

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There is so much evidence out there, first of the warnings called Jericho Wall, and then of warnings given a few days before the attack. Security was stepped up, and the Music Festival should have been cancelled immediately.

This cannot be denied. Well, Netanyahu has tried to deny it, but evidence is clear. His head of military security even resigned due to this failure.

Anniebach

Peace prospect with Hamas !

Towards cease fire, Annie. You have to try and keep talking, you have to try and keep doing deals.

But this cease fire was broken by the current Israeli regime, by the clearly stated position of Ben-Gvir who came into the cabinet specifically supporting a return to hostilities (and the backing of Trump)

Yes Anniebach, the film was awarded an Oscar.

Netanyahu will not come to the UK because, following an investigation of WAR CRIMES against humanity, by, not Gransnet, but by the INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT, an arrest warrant has been issued in his name.

Maremia

No Other Land won an Oscar. It took 5 years to make , covers
West Bank, do check .

How To Survive A War Zone was withdrawn by BBC who apologised, a narrator was a 13 year old boy, son of Hamas Government Official, covers Gaza.

I spoke of the latter, it did not win an Oscar West Bank is not Gaza , and the 13 year old boy would have been 8 when work started on that film

Why a film which took 5 years to make was confused with a documentary which covered from 23rd 2023 and Gaza

Maremia

Yes Anniebach, the film was awarded an Oscar.

Netanyahu will not come to the UK because, following an investigation of WAR CRIMES against humanity, by, not Gransnet, but by the INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT, an arrest warrant has been issued in his name.

Says it all.

If there are mass demonstrations in Israel he has no chance of winning the election next year