Nothing but nothing, can excuse Israel breaking the cease-fire in Gaza

foxie48

Well it wasn't kept very secret, the channel they were using could have easily been intercepted and they accidentally included a journalist in the group. Honestly, what incompetence!

One of the contributors to the discussion was in the Kremlin at the time waiting to see Putin. Signal is reasonably secure for personal communication but should never be used for top secret communication. The Kremlin are clever enough to have followed this communication.

Trump has complete amateurs in highly sensitive positions. It probably means they won't question his decisions, even when they should, which is why they are where they are!

FGT I don't think Trump has "nudged" Europe, he has completely undermined the alliances that have maintained some sort of stability in the world. He's playing to his MAGA maniacs, who will love his bullying tactics, rather than being a responsible POTUS with huge power at his fingertips. There were many more diplomatic ways of ensuring European countries step up to defend themselves IMHO he's a complete fool and I actually think he's showing signs of some sort of dementia.

I don't think Trump was at the meeting as Vance said he disagreed with Trump on some things.
I think this will have angered Trump and Vance had to meet him in his office. Apparently all is well now between them.

It's all starting to fall apart at the seams

Oh dear 😁

Now we know what they think of us. Time to strengthen our ties with Europe, even though those Idiots claim that Europe is dying.
Meanwhile, on the West Bank, that 0scar winning film producer has been assaulted and then 'taken away' by Israeli security.

Netanyahu is a disgusting human being.

Jewish people have in the past always supported oppressed people - as they did, most bravely, in South Africa. There are still many who oppose Israel's actions but their voices are being drowned out.

I don't think Trump has "nudged" Europe, he has completely undermined the alliances that have maintained some sort of stability in the world. He's playing to his MAGA maniacs, who will love his bullying tactics, rather than being a responsible POTUS with huge power at his fingertips
Well said.
Unfortunately, American politics has been reduced to alternative facts, name calling, bullying and picking fights with former allies. Russia and China will be the only winners from Trump's presidency.

Maremia

Now we know what they think of us. Time to strengthen our ties with Europe, even though those Idiots claim that Europe is dying.
Meanwhile, on the West Bank, that 0scar winning film producer has been assaulted and then 'taken away' by Israeli security.

This CNN report really gives all the details in full:

www.cnn.com/2025/03/24/middleeast/ballal-oscar-palestinian-beaten-israeli-settlers-intl-latam/index.html

Very revealing as to the state of affairs given the growing occupation of the West Bank

Thanks Wyllow3

Hundreds of Palestinians have gathered in northern Gaza for the first demonstration of its kind against Hamas in a rare show of anger against the militant group that led them into a long and devastating war with Israel.

From The Times.

foxie48

Trump has complete amateurs in highly sensitive positions. It probably means they won't question his decisions, even when they should, which is why they are where they are!

FGT I don't think Trump has "nudged" Europe, he has completely undermined the alliances that have maintained some sort of stability in the world. He's playing to his MAGA maniacs, who will love his bullying tactics, rather than being a responsible POTUS with huge power at his fingertips. There were many more diplomatic ways of ensuring European countries step up to defend themselves IMHO he's a complete fool and I actually think he's showing signs of some sort of dementia.

Agree with this totally, is playing to the gallery whilst causing havoc with allies and throwing in his lot with autocrat Putin.
And though he is playing to the home crowd that crowd will turn ugly when trade wars mean they end up being hit in the pocket.

Anniebach

Hundreds of Palestinians have gathered in northern Gaza for the first demonstration of its kind against Hamas in a rare show of anger against the militant group that led them into a long and devastating war with Israel.

From The Times.

That’s good!

Quote Oreo Wed 26-Mar-25 12:51:12
Anniebach
Hundreds of Palestinians have gathered in northern Gaza for the first demonstration of its kind against Hamas in a rare show of anger against the militant group that led them into a long and devastating war with Israel.

From The Times.
That’s good!

I think so Oreo , anger directed at Hamas , hope it grows

Anniebach

Hundreds of Palestinians have gathered in northern Gaza for the first demonstration of its kind against Hamas in a rare show of anger against the militant group that led them into a long and devastating war with Israel.

From The Times.

I'm glad. its right that Israeli's should and can demonstrate against Netanyahu's administration, and Palestinians against Hamas.

Pictures and report in the Guardian
www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/25/hundreds-join-protest-against-hamas-in-northern-gaza

Now - this means we can have an end of saying "all Palestinians are Hamas", can we? Stop bombing innocents in Gaza please?

Don’t know about others but I have never said that all Palestinians support hamas but it has to be said that many do, and still do.
It needs thousands to protest and I hope they will.

Certainly is very rare to see a demonstration against Hamas , I can’t recall one

I think you'd have to be quite brave to be in a demo against Hamas, the fact that Palestinians don't demonstrate shouldn't be taken as proof that everyone supports Hamas. It's often been said on here that the Gazans elected Hamas but less than half of them voted for Hamas, which was a very different organisation to the one we have 20 years later. Also a very high percentage of the existing population were either too young to vote in 2006 or were not even born but it doesn't stop them being killed and wounded by Israeli bombs. The trouble is as soon as you start to recognise Palestinians as victims rather than the architects of their own fate, the harder it becomes to ignore their deaths and inhuman treatment by the Israeli government. (Just to confirm for about the 100th time, I do not support Hamas, I think their attack on 7/10 was despicable and cowardly and I believe Israel has the right to defend herself but only if the international rules of war are followed)

No matter Hamas does follow international rules of war,
what is Israel expected to do, wait for further atrocities

Hamas is a terrorist organisation whereas Israel is a country and as such is subject to International law. It's what prevents us all from turning into savages, which, of course, Hamas fighters are. I find it worrying that so few think about what effect this war is having on Israeli soldiers, it's hard enough killing combatants but the killing of woman and children must take a very heavy toll. 28 soldiers have committed suicide since 7/10, a huge increase and thousands have been discharged with mental distress.
www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20250103-suicide-rate-in-israeli-army-hits-thirteen-year-high-amid-ongoing-war

Obviously there are victims in Israeli army the guilty are Hamas not Israeli Government.

A thought, the photograph in the Times today, cameras in Gaza ? All videos have been released by Hamas.

It has been said here the many Palestinians cheering the mocking of Israeli hostages were forced to do so by Hamas. I didn’t believe that accusation but it was said,

The Israeli government is completely guilty of the murder of 50,000+ innocent Palestinians. At least some of the Israeli army feel shame. Pity about the others.

Wonder how Palestinian supporters of Hamas feel, they certainly were jubilant seeing the mocking of Israeli hostages
And Hamas was founded by Palestinians

The Hamas movement was founded after the outbreak of the First Intifada against the 20 year Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza. It was sparked by an Israeli truck driver driving into some parked cars, killing some Palestinians. Palestinians reacted to this with protests and a refusal to pay taxes etc, it was a largely peaceful resistance but Israel sent in 80K troops to quell it. They killed over a thousand Palestinians including 240 children. Hamas was the result, partly political and partly military.

I hope the protest movement against hamas steps up a level.
The fact that the people or some of them have turned against them means that hamas is very weakened now.

I regret that I doubt the video, we read here so often that Israel
will not allow journalists or anyone entry into Gaza, not even medicines .