Nothing but nothing, can excuse Israel breaking the cease-fire in Gaza

I think we can safely say that babies snd children are the collateral damage in every single conflict and war. Despicable, unjust, appalling and utterly inexcusable.

Jaberwok I think the priority has has to be actually trying to provide clean water, sanitation get food, rebuild homes, businesses, any farming, given the state the infrastructure is in.

Not spend scare resources and time to build in preparation for more war?

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There are substantial internal tensions in Israel - todays news is a case in point.

Netanyahu has sacked Ronan Bar the head of Shin Bet (domestic security)

“The move sparked outrage and further inflamed anti-government demonstrations in Jerusalem, which saw thousands of Israelis join forces with protestors opposing Israel's renewed assault on Gaza.”

In theory, he’s sacking him for a failure to anticipate October 23rd events:, but

“The Attorney General Gali Baharav-Miara late last month ordered the police and the Shin Bet to investigate officials within Netanyahu's office over alleged financial ties to Qatar.

A gag order has since been issued on all information relating to the investigation. Netanyahu's Likud Party denies all allegations.”

“Yesh Atid, the centre-right party led by Yair Lapid, said it had filed an appeal on behalf of several opposition parties and denounced the sacking as a "decision taken due to a blatant conflict of interest by the prime minister".

More details
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwygkknzn9yo

Anniebach

Bringing religion into this is definitely ‘Rock Bottom And Still
Drilling’ , disgusting , I feel sick, such hatred

What are you on about?

You claim to be a Christian. Do you not have any respect for people of other faiths?

The BBC released a documentary then quickly withdrew it,
the teenagers commenting were children of Hamas government officials.

All numbers of deaths are released by Hamas government

Anniebach

Bringing religion into this is definitely ‘Rock Bottom And Still
Drilling’ , disgusting , I feel sick, such hatred

Perhaps *Anniebach means these two posts, growstuff?

And killing people during Ramadan is a terrible and unforgiveable act

And in the long run, will make Jewish people hugely more at risk of antisemitisim all around the world- as they will be part of this genocide, whether they approved of it, or not.

One moment we are told it is the Israeli Government and Hamas which are at fault (true), the next we are told that Jewish people around the world are guilty by association and that attacks during Ramadan are worse than st any other time.

All of this is wrong at any time but this is down to Hamas and the Israeli Government.

Thank you Allira yes both shocked me , can we expect all Muslims across the world to be attacked because of Hamas attack in Oct 2023. Such posts were attacking the Jewish faith,

No, not at all. But whether we agree it is right or not- this will be the result.

Why do you agree that it is right for Netanyahu, with the help ot Trump, to kill all innocent Muslim people in Gaza, West Bank, Palestine, Syria and beyond- because of the 7th of October attacks, and just call it 'legitimate defence' instead of genocide.

I don't understand why you would ask me that, it is truly offensive.

I repeat: "All of this is wrong at any time but this is down to Hamas and the Israeli Government."

Anniebach, you do realise that an Israeli is not the same as a Jew?

Do you also realise some Palestinians are Christians?

Anniebach, you ask"what is appropriate defence?"

Appropriate defence is diplomatic agreement between hostile nations; representatives.

Hamas can never win a war of bombing and civilian casualties ,as Hamas does not have the backing of the US as does Israel. America under Trump is exceedingly right wing as is Netanyahu. Gaza and the West Bank are to be made over into extensions of Israel and the US.

There will be no use for Palestinian people except as a lower class of persons, who will not be allowed to share the luxurious facilities in Gaza and the West Bank once these territories are owned by Israel and America. As you know this is what happened in South Africa under apartheid.

That Caleo will depend on whether or not there are any Palestinians left alive, and it's looking increasingly like there wont be any in Gazza.

Right, so Israel is not a Jewish State yet it was claimed so in 1947, many Jews fled there following the Holocaust, 5 Arab countries declared war on Israel 1948, why ?

No one's saying that Israel isn't a Jewish State Annie but not all Israeli's are Jewish.

England is still regarded as a Christian country and we all know that not everyone who live here is Christian.

Yes Caleo, and Anniebach, there are Christians in Palestine, and they are also under attack by Netanyanhu's thugs. Remember last year the British politician Leyla Moran pleading for help when her relatives, seeking sanctuary in a church, were being sniped on by Israeli soldiers?
Last year's World Day of Prayer was held in honour of 'The Christian Women of Palestine', proof that the Christian world knows they are there.

Best you correct the poster who stressed Israel attacked Gaza during Ramadan

Smileless2012

No one's saying that Israel isn't a Jewish State Annie but not all Israeli's are Jewish.

England is still regarded as a Christian country and we all know that not everyone who live here is Christian.

Israel was conceived as a secular state - recognising the plurality of religions , and the need to legislate for all. That didn’t last very long did it, although it is still officially a secular state.

Did we ever get an answer to whose decision it was, to move the location of that tragic music festival, to a place so near the 'border' with Gaza?
Yes Whitewavemark2, and if anyone cares to look at a map, to see how the territory was divided up at the time, you will notice by how much the Israeli faction has 'land grabbed' what was intended for the Palestinians.

Whom were you addressing Anniebach, about Ramadan? Sometimes the posts jump over each other.

Why Annie? Israel did attack Gaza during Ramadan so what needs correcting?

And during Lent , this was ignored

What does that have to do with your post in which you said
the poster who stressed Gaza was attacked during Ramadan should be corrected Annie?

Whitewavemark2

Smileless2012

No one's saying that Israel isn't a Jewish State Annie but not all Israeli's are Jewish.

England is still regarded as a Christian country and we all know that not everyone who live here is Christian.

Israel was conceived as a secular state - recognising the plurality of religions , and the need to legislate for all. That didn’t last very long did it, although it is still officially a secular state.

Yes, Israel is still a secular state - but possibly not for much longer if Netanyahu's religious allies get their way.

I wish people would find out more about Israel's internal politics because it might explain some of Netanyahu's attitude towards the war.

growstuff

Anniebach

Bringing religion into this is definitely ‘Rock Bottom And Still
Drilling’ , disgusting , I feel sick, such hatred

What are you on about?

You claim to be a Christian. Do you not have any respect for people of other faiths?

Emotional personal responses mean a poster has run out of anything reasonable to say.Just saying.

You know growstuff you don’t need to bring religion into this at all in regard to other posters.
If hamas, as the recognised government of Gaza hadn’t sanctioned, let alone planned the deadly incursion into Israel then we would have had nothing to discuss on here today.
They spent so much money on themselves, on arms and tunnels that there was nothing left for the people of Gaza or for their protection, but for all the miles and miles of tunnels they haven’t allowed any citizens to shelter in them or done anything at all for them.

Are you saying it's wrong to feel emotion about these atrocities?
Isn't Anniebach expressing emotion in that post you have quoted?