Small boat migrants to the UK are 36% UP on this time last year.

And Nano14 at least hints at it.
Which is why I asked the question for further clarification.

Whitewavemark2

fancythat

^ but once here and asylum is sought, they are legal.

I wouldnt mind clearing that up actually.
At which precise moment do they become legal?

Asylum seekers are never illegal. That is what people fail to understand.

I know it seems to be fashionable these days to ignore the law, but we do thankfully have a PM that respects the law.

Under section 40 of the Nationality and Borders Act 2022 (NABA), it is difficult for a person to arrive in the UK without a visa.

Because there is no such thing as an ‘asylum visa’, this law applies to almost all asylum seekers entering the UK. From 28 July 2022 onwards, anybody who enters the UK (without a visa) and claims asylum will be going against this law. This offence carries a maximum sentence of 4 years (5 years for people who re-enter the UK in breach of a deportation order).

However, it is important to remember that it would not be practical for the government to prosecute (this means to bring criminal proceedings against) everybody who enters the UK without a visa, because this would put a lot of pressure on the courts and prison systems.

righttoremain.org.uk/toolkit/enter-uk-asylum/#illegal

That is what I thought.

I have been googling things since my post, and it all seems to point towards illegality.

Kandinsky

People on this thread who don’t seem to have any problem whatsoever with asylum seekers - are you happy for the situation to continue?
Do you have any concerns at all?

I don’t think they have, unless it affects them and the area they live in.They don’t see problems so think problems don’t exist.

Or their jobs, or a relative's job is invested in the situation.

Yep. Agree.

Claiming to be an asylum seeker isn’t illegal but a great deal of those doing so are manipulating the system and lying.Those are economic migrants.

Come on, we all know asylum seekers // economic migrants all go on to be brain surgeons.
They’d never cheat or lie.
Absolute angels all of them.

The U.K. gives shelter to 1% of the total of refugees in the world.

There is no such thing as an "illegal" or "bogus" person seeking asylum. Under international law, anyone has the right to apply for asylum in any country that has signed the 1951 Convention and to remain there until the authorities have assessed their claim.
It is recognised in the 1951 Convention that people fleeing persecution may have to use irregular means in order to escape and claim asylum in another country – there is no legal way to travel to the UK for the specific purpose of seeking asylum.

^ there is no legal way to travel to the UK for the specific purpose of seeking asylum.^

Quite

This

“The right to seek asylum is a legal right we all share. It isn't illegal to seek asylum, because seeking asylum is a legal process”

Whitewavemark2

This

“The right to seek asylum is a legal right we all share. It isn't illegal to seek asylum, because seeking asylum is a legal process”

I would be very interested in your response to Kandinsky’s question as above. Are you happy with the situation as it is and happy for unlimited boatloads of immigrants to keep on arriving in the UK. Do you foresee any problems for society in the longer term as well?

I think the only way that will ever stop illegal immigrants is to make it better and invest in the country’s they are escaping from. We also need to make it highly difficult for them to stay in the uk. No hotel rooms. I’d build a few thousand chalets such as the cheap holiday ones and they have to share and work the land for food. We have to make it really uncomfortable for them to live here. the United Kingdom is not going to survive the constant arrival.

sparkynan

I think the only way that will ever stop illegal immigrants is to make it better and invest in the country’s they are escaping from. We also need to make it highly difficult for them to stay in the uk. No hotel rooms. I’d build a few thousand chalets such as the cheap holiday ones and they have to share and work the land for food. We have to make it really uncomfortable for them to live here. the United Kingdom is not going to survive the constant arrival.

👏👏👏👏👏👏

Whitewavemark2

This

“The right to seek asylum is a legal right we all share. It isn't illegal to seek asylum, because seeking asylum is a legal process”

No it isnt illegal to seek it.

But the getting here first and then doing it, is illegal.
And the thread is talking about small boats.
They are entering illegally.

I wonder how many asylum seekers people posting here have actually met? Personal contact such as I had when working makes such a difference in seeing asylum seekers as human beings not just a nameless mass who ‘swamp our country’ (not my words). In my experience there were legal routes by which people could enter the country and claim asylum. I can’t believe these no longer exist so it’s no wonder desperate people resort to a dangerous entry route. Mostly the people I met were well educated and would be an asset to the country if allowed to work. They were keen on education and their children generally did well at school. As a country with a declining population we need young people to support an ageing population. A humane and long term view is needed. Provision for asylum seekers now is a potential investment in the future.

Mostly the people I met were well educated and would be an asset to the country if allowed to work. They were keen on education and their children generally did well at school

What children?
Most of these asylum seekers are young single men.

I agree. I dont agree with the last part of her post.

But this bit I do find a puzzle.
In my experience there were legal routes by which people could enter the country and claim asylum. I can’t believe these no longer exist so it’s no wonder desperate people resort to a dangerous entry route

I have started a thread about International and Uk law about the subject.
But a quick google seems to indicate that although "boundaries were being pushed" by Suella Braverman and Rishi in 2023, not sure much has been done since?

Casdon

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Wyllow3

Its central government funded FGT wherever you live.

This I do know Wyllow.
Until Labour come up with a viable plan, Rachel Reeces’ sums will continue to give her a headache. Imagine factoring all this into her Spring Statement tomorrow!

Were you expecting a magic wand? That’s the only reasonable way that in eight months Labour could have stopped the boats. This a a very complex problem, with very complex solutions, which are being tackled slowly but surely.

Even if only some elements of the plan to protect our shores could be started up immediately it would help.

How long does it take, for instance, to contact the RNLI and tell them to stop acting as a free taxi service for them right now and have someone look up whether any penalties (financial or otherwise) could be imposed on the RNLI if it keeps going outside its remit and picking these people up - rather than sticking to what it's actually there for (ie rescuing genuine sailors etc in genuine trouble).

CariadAgain
They are not going outside their remit. They don’t discriminate as to who they pick up. If you are in trouble and send out a MayDay call, they will be there.

A free taxi service? No problemo, shove em back in the sea.

You disgust me .

petra

CariadAgain
They are not going outside their remit. They don’t discriminate as to who they pick up. If you are in trouble and send out a MayDay call, they will be there.

Absolutely correct! It's not up to the RNLI to police our shores and check paperwork if people are drowning.

Exactly petra. - using their words, their role is ‘to help protect and save those in peril at sea.’ A large number of people in a rubber dingy who request help are indeed in peril at sea.

I would be very interested in your response to Kandinsky’s question as above. Are you happy with the situation as it is and happy for unlimited boatloads of immigrants to keep on arriving in the UK. Do you foresee any problems for society in the longer term as well?

They never answer questions like this.
Not sure why…..

petra

CariadAgain
They are not going outside their remit. They don’t discriminate as to who they pick up. If you are in trouble and send out a MayDay call, they will be there.

As it should be. Sending people to their death is not the way.