According to Angela Rayner 'Working class people do not want "handouts" but support to find jobs.'

Norah

GrannyGravy13

In my opinion there are definitely people who are jogging along on benefits with no real desire to work.

It should be significantly better financially to be in paid work than to live on handouts.

Benefits should be a safety net, not a lifestyle choice.

I do accept that there are many disabled (both physically and mentally) who are unable to work at all, or at best work restricted hours. These people should be helped to live the best life available to them, without fearing every bill dropping through the letterbox.

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It’s my opinion as well, based on many years working with children and families. When I started in the 70’s, every famiky I met had people in regular employment. There was often someone ‘bad with their nerves’ who worked intermittently. We sometimes had to supply what were called ‘food parcels’ when money ran out.
When I retired 10-12 years ago, it was rare to be involved in any family where people worked. The exceptions were either working or middle class families where grandparents or aunties stepped in to care for children whose parents substance misuse left the children at risk.
I don’t see myself as a fascist uncaring person. I absolutely accept we must provide for people with various disabilities or others who can’t work. We should invest in supporting people to work. It’s bad for individuals and bad for society if we dont]

I wear supermarket clothes and crocs 😭🙈 I don’t really think that’s being poor? I wore them to work today no one called me a pauper —to my face anyway—

JaneJudge

I wear supermarket clothes and crocs 😭🙈 I don’t really think that’s being poor? I wore them to work today no one called me a pauper —to my face anyway—

Nothing wrong with supermarket clothes, but crocks…

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I have dropped something heavy on my foot 😂 my boss said it was an interesting choice of footwear not one he’d choose outside of his garden
But they are SO comfy

JaneJudge

I have dropped something heavy on my foot 😂 my boss said it was an interesting choice of footwear not one he’d choose outside of his garden
But they are SO comfy

That’s what our GC and nieces say.

I have tiny narrow feet, they look like boxes on me when I have tried them on.

I am currently seven weeks post fracturing my foot, any shoe that fits is a bonus 😹

I bought my normal size and they were massive so I went down two sizes and my son with bigger feet had the original pair. They do come up big. I hope your foot feels better soon x

Croc whether “real” or supermarket are ugly but fabulously comfortable and surprisingly warm.

^ A working class plumber or electrician can earn a six figure salary in this part of the world. That might make them rich, and better off than the majority of the working class it doesn’t make them part of the rich elite^

They might go to top restaurants etc., it doesn’t make them posh and/or classy.

Good Lord, GG13. You begin to sound like a raging snob. I am utterly shocked.

Does having a bit of money and a successful business donthis to people?

*do this*…
dammit, poking a little ipad with one finger can be very annoying 😖

We are all snobs to some degree.

My pet hate is shell suits - remember them? Now replaced with trackie bottoms.

Also wearing pyjamas to go to the supermarket! Although that may be a DM conflation.

MaizieD

^ A working class plumber or electrician can earn a six figure salary in this part of the world. That might make them rich, and better off than the majority of the working class it doesn’t make them part of the rich elite^

They might go to top restaurants etc., it doesn’t make them posh and/or classy.

Good Lord, GG13. You begin to sound like a raging snob. I am utterly shocked.

Does having a bit of money and a successful business donthis to people?

I think that’s a very unfair comment in a conversation which is about about what differentiates social class MaizieD, as GrannyGravy13 hasn’t made a controversial statement revealing anything about her own views in my opinion.

I think that’s a very unfair comment in a conversation which is about about what differentiates social class MaizieD,

I have read and reread the novels of Georgette Heyer over the past 50+ years. I love them but have to ignore the snobbery which surfaces from time to time. GG’s statement about wealthy plumbers not being part of the rich elite could have come straight from a Heyer novel. I found it shocking and don’t see that it has any part in this discussion.

It just demonstrates, yet again, how very classbound the UK still is..

I do think GrannyGravy has every right in this discussion and I agree with her

MaizieD

^ A working class plumber or electrician can earn a six figure salary in this part of the world. That might make them rich, and better off than the majority of the working class it doesn’t make them part of the rich elite^

They might go to top restaurants etc., it doesn’t make them posh and/or classy.

Good Lord, GG13. You begin to sound like a raging snob. I am utterly shocked.

Does having a bit of money and a successful business donthis to people?

Have you been out in London or abroad and seen how some people behave?

I can assure you I am definitely not a raging snob

There is definitely a difference between old money and new money always has been always will be

Ahem - I know a plumber aged 27 who was, to coin a phrase, dragged up by a substance abusing mum, his dad having disappeared. His partner is from a working class family, no one went to art galleries or read or stayed on at school.
She’s a graphic designer. They go to museums, art galleries , concerts and recently did a 3 week tour of Japan, all organised by themselves. They’ve also just bought their first house. A spacious ex council house, those good family homes built in the 50’s
So does their lifestyle mean they’re heading for middle class status. Oh yes, Labour voters though green leaning 😏

For the record, I do not condone the class system in the U.K. however, their is no denying its alive and kicking in the 21st century, and no amount of money can’t buy you a ticket into it.

GG13, cross posted there.
You’re right about old and new money.

Iam64 good for him it is always heartwarming to hear folks can get on life despite a difficult early home life.

It bucks the train of thought that it’s a self fulfilling prophecy that if you are born into a troubled family that you will go on to a have a troubled life.

GrannyGravy13

For the record, I do not condone the class system in the U.K. however, their is no denying its alive and kicking in the 21st century, and no amount of money can’t buy you a ticket into it.

That’s why late Victorian and Edwardian Aristocrats were falling over themselves to bag a wealthy ‘new money’ American heiress? . Of course, they were rather vulgar gels, but all those dollars made them palatable.

Money can buy a ticket to anywhere..

MaizieD

GrannyGravy13

For the record, I do not condone the class system in the U.K. however, their is no denying its alive and kicking in the 21st century, and no amount of money can’t buy you a ticket into it.

That’s why late Victorian and Edwardian Aristocrats were falling over themselves to bag a wealthy ‘new money’ American heiress? . Of course, they were rather vulgar gels, but all those dollars made them palatable.

Money can buy a ticket to anywhere..

It might buy a ticket MaizieD but it is not automatic acceptance.

Money can’t buy a ticket to anywhere though, that’s the whole underpinning of the class system. What money can’t buy is acceptance into an elite people weren’t born into - and those in the elite control access.

Casdon

Money can’t buy a ticket to anywhere though, that’s the whole underpinning of the class system. What money can’t buy is acceptance into an elite people weren’t born into - and those in the elite control access.

Exactly, that is what I meant in my posts.

(I am multitasking, something which I am no longer proficient in, DD rang to say she was poorly, so Granny to the rescue to get the GC to school)

That’s why late Victorian and Edwardian Aristocrats were falling over themselves to bag a wealthy ‘new money’ American heiress? hmm. Of course, they were rather vulgar gels, but all those dollars made them palatable.

I suggest you read The Portrait of a Lady' Maizie D.

Carol Middleton was mock in the media because she had worked for an airline and then made money with a. Party Supply Co.