The USA Federal Court has backed Trump on kicking out the criminals.

Sorry imaround

I must say never a day seems to go by without another headline!

I wanted to put this here so that everyone understands what happened today at the court.

The Court did not rule in Trumps favor today. They said that the plaintiffs don't have standing in DC, they have to file in Texas.

The Court also ruled against Trump on the due process issue. They told him that he must follow due process before deporting migrants, something he is adamantly against. A Unanimous decision by the way.

"Claim by the White House:

The Supreme Court ruling made it “very clear” that Trump was “well within his constitutional authority” to carry out deportations under the Alien Enemies Act.

What the Supreme Court actually ruled:
- No Ruling on Constitutionality (5–4 decision):
The Court did not rule on whether the Trump administration’s actions were constitutional. Instead, it ruled that the lawsuit brought by the detained immigrants was filed in the wrong jurisdiction (Washington, D.C.) when it should have been filed in Texas, where the detainees were being held.

- Unanimous Ruling on Due Process (9–0 decision):
The Court ruled that detainees must be given a chance to challenge their deportations, even under the Alien Enemies Act. This safeguards some level of due process, which runs counter to the idea that the administration has unchecked authority.

Conclusion:

The Supreme Court’s decision was procedural, not a substantive endorsement of the Trump administration’s use of wartime powers. The White House’s statement overstates the ruling and wrongly implies a constitutional green light. In reality, the ruling left open the door for legal challenges — just in the correct jurisdiction."

The reason for all of the good news happening in the US is because Trump lies. So does the media. Now that's a FACT.

Thanks for your post at 00.26, imaround*, setting out the facts of this judgement.

It is to be hoped that the plaintiffs are able to pursue this issue in the correct court.

Though I don't suppose the OP is in the least bit interested in the facts.

There's another relevant story, which is the deportation of Kilmar Garcia to El Salvador. His status was that of protection from deportation in 2019

The government has said Mr Garcia was deported on 15 March due to an "administrative error". Despite this.....

A lower court ruled that. he should be returned by Monday under the jurisdiction of US District Judge Paula Xinis,

She had been advised by Justice department lawyer Erez Reuveni, who told her that Mr Garcia "should not have been removed".

Over the weekend Mr Reuveni – a 15-year veteran of the department – had been placed on paid administrative leave for failing to "zealously advocate on behalf of the United States.

At first the Trump administration escalated the case to a Maryland appeals court, which denied their request to stay Judge Xinis' order to bring him home..

The Supreme Court then ruled a block on bringing him back by Monday. In its emergency appeal to America's highest court, the Trump administration argued the Maryland judge lacked authority to issue the order and that US officials cannot compel El Salvador to return Mr Garcia.

It's still unclear, in the hands of the Supreme Court. There is a big campaign on it because he was removed on the grounds of being a gang member which is disputed and unproven, he is a metal sheet worker married to a US citizen.

It a battle ground as to the powers of the judiciary versus the executive and the sacking of the Justice Department lawyer who gave advice part of the story.

Trump will just continue on this wild deranged course because he’s a chancer and believes everything is worth taking risks.

IMO he acting exactly as he did when running the USA version of the Apprentice, not like a POTUS. I don’t think he knows the difference. It appears it’s all just a big game.

imaround

Also, 75% of people deported were found to have no criminal record. He is targeting LEGAL migrants right now.

www.cbsnews.com/news/what-records-show-about-migrants-sent-to-salvadoran-prison-60-minutes-transcript/

Yikes though. Does mean 25% did.
That is a huge percentage.

From the Daily Pnut:

“On Monday night, the Supreme Court ruled that the Trump administration is legally allowed to leverage the Alien Enemies Act to deport alleged migrant gang members, but orders Washington to give the alleged gang members due process to challenge their deportations. According to CBS, the vast majority of the alleged gang members have no criminal records, and evidence of their alleged gang activities that ICE has presented in court largely consists of the men having tattoos that are loosely associated with Tren de Aragua. One man – a professional soccer player – is even being held for having a Real Madrid tattoo, due to its crown motif.

The IRS and ICE have also reached an agreement that will see ICE use protected tax records to help deport immigrants. Several top IRS officials, including the acting commissioner, have resigned (or plan to do so) in protest of the deal. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said on X, “The cruel spree to terrorize immigrants screws over ALL working Americans. Undocumented people pay BILLIONS into Medicare, social sec, & programs they are ineligible for. Hunting them also craters the social safety net. This is how the billionaire class divides and conquers.”

Meanwhile, Washington is continuing its aggressive deportations on college campuses as well. Harvard, UCLA, and Stanford have all confirmed that some of their international students have had their student visas or green cards revoked over a range of tiny offenses, including participating in demonstrations that the White House doesn’t like – many are being held in ICE custody as part of Trump’s order to “combat the explosion of anti-Semitism on our campuses and streets.”

fancythat

imaround

Also, 75% of people deported were found to have no criminal record. He is targeting LEGAL migrants right now.

www.cbsnews.com/news/what-records-show-about-migrants-sent-to-salvadoran-prison-60-minutes-transcript/

Yikes though. Does mean 25% did.
That is a huge percentage.

Surely if people are deported because they are criminals but in fact only 25% of them are, the success rate is only 25% - which is definitely not a huge percentage, just another sign of a corrupt administration.

You are correct Casdon. Trump has told us repeatedly that he is only deporting hardened criminals and gang members. That is another lie.

In fact, the majority are not.

In the case of the IRS, that means those people are here legally, working and paying taxes. Not illegals. Yet they are going to be hunted down and removed anyhow.

Disgusting.

Trump is too busy gloating over all the countries coming to "kiss his ass" over tariffs to worry about little things like legal process and fairness.

A judge in Texas issued a restraining order stopping the deportation of Venezuelans after the Supreme Courts ruling yesterday said the plaintiffs lacked standing to file in Washington DC and told them they had to file in Texas, where the immigrants are.

The ACLU immediately did so and won a temp restraining order.

The Supreme Court also told Trump that the immigrants have to have due process hearings before being deported.

Trump didn't win much of anything in this. He actually lost.

Yes - although the Supreme Court "recognised" the law, it is now a legal precedent that de facto robbed it of its ability to act without due process.

Wyllow3

Yes - although the Supreme Court "recognised" the law, it is now a legal precedent that de facto robbed it of its ability to act without due process.

That is why I started donating to the ACLU.

I think we might all be more than a little perturbed if the percentage of people found guilty and sentenced of a crime were 75% not guilty.
Maybe these deportees are hardened criminals, maybe they're not. The fact that Mr Trump's fans don't like their tattoos isn't enough reason for their removal, in my opinion.
I'm not keen on tattoos myself- but concrete evidence of wrongdoing they are not.

I think the 25% includes people with any kind of criminal record Chocolatelovinggran, so it will include those with minor offences as well as more serious crimes. Imagine being deported because in your youth you were arrested for something minor, and you are now 30 or 40 years down the line with no further offences.

Going by people in jail, as far as I can work.

In the US, the population in jail is 0.5%[in the UK it is 0.7%]

25% of the immigrants with a criminal record, is a ginormous figure.

The problem is, we have no ides what those crimes are. It could be jaywalking.

That 25% number also does not represent total number of criminals to non criminals in the larger population because he was targeting criminals. Of course the numbers are going to be higher.

The reason why that 75% is so important right now is that Trump told everyone he is only deporting the most dangerous criminals. Except that is not true. He is not finding enough criminals to fulfill his promises, so he is taking non criminals and putting them through the same illegal amd unconstitutional treatment.

He is also deporting immigrants who came here through legal means and who are not criminals.

And lastly, of course, he is sending these people to a max security prison in a different country with absolutely no due process to prove they are criminals and no means to get out.

This went "we need to get out the most dangerous" to "we are going to participate in human rights violations" fairly quickly.

No, they were not all people who were in jail fancythat, many were picked up from the streets or their homes. This article gives more insight.
www.cbsnews.com/news/what-records-show-about-migrants-sent-to-salvadoran-prison-60-minutes-transcript/

Whatever way it is talked about, 25% being criminals, is still a ginormous number.

It does not matter what words are used to try and justify/hide/deceive.

Shocking really.

And quite frankly, unfair to those being deceived.

If you read the article, even the 25% isn’t true.

‘At least 22% of the men on the list have criminal records here in the United States or abroad. The vast majority are for non-violent offenses like theft, shoplifting and trespassing. About a dozen are accused of murder, rape, assault and kidnapping.

For 3% of those deported, it is unclear whether a criminal record exists.

But we could not find criminal records for 75% of the Venezuelans - 179 men- now sitting in prison.’

I don’t understand why you are trying to defend this action, the ones responsible for serious crimes, possibly, but the rest?

I wonder if we are talking at cross purposes.

At least 22% of the men on the list have criminal records here in the United States or abroad. The vast majority are for non-violent offenses like theft, shoplifting and trespassing. About a dozen are accused of murder, rape, assault and kidnappin

You and others are saying that this is not a big deal?

How much crime amongst immigrants, do you think is acceptable?

No more or less than the population at large?

Here is a good look at the historical numbers of immigrants crime.

www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/debunking-myth-immigrants-and-crime